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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    My assessment is that:
    1) there were friendly forces in the area
    2) there was a group of Iraqi men with weapons (at least one clearly visible)
    3) the Iraqi men were on move and some of their movements were suspicious
    4) the American pilots seemed overly anxious and cheerful at the prospect of killing
    5) several minutes passed and a van of what appears to be unarmed civilians come to help an obviously seriously wounded man
    6) I can see no justification for shooting the van and it's occupants

    **** happens in war but there are problems with this engagement.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    My assessment is that:
    1) there were friendly forces in the area
    2) there was a group of Iraqi men with weapons (at least one clearly visible)
    3) the Iraqi men were on move and some of their movements were suspicious
    4) the American pilots seemed overly anxious and cheerful at the prospect of killing
    5) several minutes passed and a van of what appears to be unarmed civilians come to help an obviously seriously wounded man
    6) I can see no justification for shooting the van and it's occupants

    **** happens in war but there are problems with this engagement.
    They slotted the getaway car. Or the combat equivelent thereof.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    They slotted the getaway car. Or the combat equivelent thereof.
    Can/ should Obama be treated as a war criminal. Perhaps arrested if he leaves the country.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    Wikileaks can be found here:

    WikiLeaks

    The video can be viewed here:

    YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



    BBC News - WikiLeaks posts 'killing' video

    Disturbing video to say the least.
    I served in Iraq and witnessed many strategic errors that cost the lives of many innocents, but unfortunately war is trial and error and we need to learn from our mistakes and minimize the risk while increasing success.

    This footage depicts one of those mistakes, but the killings where unintentional and nobody is to blame but those who ordered the operation. I know as i have seen that there are many more videos yet to be brought to the public eye and its only a matter of time they do.
    If the British and Americans have the right to shout about individuals killing our civilians then the Iraqis should reserve the right to drag some of our soldiers to court in their country.

    I don't know whether the worst bit is watching the journalist trying crawl away or the fact they shot even tho they were in no immediate danger or were being fired on by the individuals on the street, the laughing or the fact it took so many years for this to be released.

    I wonder how many more videos there are of British and American soldiers killing civilians that have been hidden from public view
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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    When did Iraq mess with America?
    What planet were you on between 1991 and 2003?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    When did Iraq mess with America?
    Late 1980s onward, climaxing with Saddam re-basing his oil on the Euro instead of the Dollar. Saddam was the lesser of 2 evils when we installed him to combat our mutual enemy, Iran, but then he turned on us. He bit the hand that fed him.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    What planet were you on between 1991 and 2003?
    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he was in grade school, unaware of global politics.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    No, but there should be a demonstration of hostile intent before engaging. Simply walking out in the open with an AK-47 (which is commonplace in Iraq) is not a sufficient demonstration of hostility.
    So like..... you want to wait until someone kills you before you defend yourself?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Regardless of the reasoning behind attacking those men (which I think was totally justified), and the reasoning behind attacking the van (which I think is more dubious), I don't think doing it with a 30mm cannon from a helicopter can be justified at all.

    That was a dense residential area.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If the British and Americans have the right to shout about individuals killing our civilians then the Iraqis should reserve the right to drag some of our soldiers to court in their country.

    I don't know whether the worst bit is watching the journalist trying crawl away or the fact they shot even tho they were in no immediate danger or were being fired on by the individuals on the street, the laughing or the fact it took so many years for this to be released.

    I wonder how many more videos there are of British and American soldiers killing civilians that have been hidden from public view
    And now you can see the balls... or maybe desperation it took for mild torture victims pictures to be released early on and then have alllllll the bad ones depicting murder (didnt obama pretty much almost admit that or no?)there after scooped up and locked away because it would be a threat to national security. Why? Because they must be so grotesque that the American people would have shook the ground with there marches until the very foundation that allowed this all to happened crumbled into dust. They can't afford to tell my fellow Americans the truth.

    Incidents like this only go to prove that the American people need to see all misdeeds we do. Humans need to see what exactly we did to torture. And if it horrible then discipline must come lawfully. And if they are all deleted then everything else Obama and Bush have done need to be picked with a fine tooth comb. Past, present and future. Only then can we truly weigh them against our good deeds.
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