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Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

Wrong, wrong annnnnnd wrong. Just where do you get your ideas from:confused:

Here's a few things to consider that I have been assured are factual:

  1. Obama's birth certificate has been declared legal. Therefore, he is a U.S. citizen.
  2. If his birth certificate were not valid he is a natural born citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen, and since that is what is minimally needed to be eligible to be president... he would still be our duly elected, sworn in and valid president.
  3. If he were not a natural born citizen he would still be the president having been sworn in. To be removed from office he would probably have to be impeached. That would require a bunch of Democrats to believe he was not naturally born and be willing to impeach him. Want to bet on this happening?
  4. If his birth certificate were deemed invalid and he was determined to not be a naturally born citizen and enough Demorcats voted to impeach him everything that he did and signed into law would still be legal. THEN you would have to live with Joe Biden as your new president. Repubs should be careful what you wish for!
Crunch never let reality get in his way. Obama is eligible for the simple fact that he's the right age, has been living in the country the needed amount of time and he was born here. Any child who is born in this country is considered a natural born citizen of the United States.
 
Its really nice to see a man with Principles out there and willing to back them with his career and life......

My hat is off to him............

But what's the point in standing up for your principles when you're wrong? No court case brought about by those individuals serving in a reserve duty capacity have won their court cases based on this same tired "he's not eligible to be my CinC until he shows me his birth records" argument. All have failed. Even civilians have lost their cases for the same reason: no one person has standing against a duly elected official, specifically the President of the United States.

So, why continue to try especially when using the exact same argument? Does he and others like him think that if enough reservist bitch about it suddenly the legal system will stand up and take notice? It's ridiculous!!!

Good thing this guy is a reservist and I'm no longer on active duty. I'd question his competence to lead.
 
You'll have to point out where in your quote it says he recinded his own orders... I can seem to find it.

No, I won't have to do that. And if I did, you'd just demand proof directly from the Army or something, and then if I gave you that, you'd claim Obama fixed it, and so on....

You lost this debate a long, long time ago. Everything since then is just entertainment. It's fun to see just how far you'll go to hang onto your preposterous beliefs. Thanks for all the laughs.
 
Its really nice to see a man with Principles out there and willing to back them with his career and life......

My hat is off to him............

I'm sure you felt that way about the draft dodgers standing up for their principles when they left to go to Canada as well. Oh wait, you don't feel that way.....What a hypocrite you are.

I hope this guy is court martialed and kicked out.
 
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I'm sure you felt that way about the draft dodgers standing up for their principles when they left to go to Canada as well. Oh wait, you don't feel that way.....What a hypocrite you are.

I hope this guy is court martialed and kicked out.


Look my far out left wing friend.......You know you are on my ignore list.....Someone told me you sent this stupid post...I told him don't bother the next time.... Please don't post me...I don't have time to deal with mental midgets........thanks........
 
Good thing you never stoop to insults...

The topic is a birther nut Navy, not other posters. Do try and stay on topic.
 
we can always hope that the oaths that they took will at some point mean something, and a Judge will find the balls to do the right thing....... hear the case on it's merits, and judge the case only on it's merits without prejudice. That hasn’t happened yet.

So step away from the message board, find that judge, and file your awesome, sure-fire case. :rofl

And oh yeah, POIDH! :2wave:
 
So step away from the message board, find that judge, and file your awesome, sure-fire case. :rofl

And oh yeah, POIDH! :2wave:

Step up to your keyboard and fulfill your side of the bargain, then I'll file....... or we can wait and see what happens in kerchner vs obama.
 
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Good thing you never stoop to insults...

The topic is a birther nut Navy, not other posters. Do try and stay on topic.

Of course you don"t have a problem with him/her attacking me.....HYPOCRITE!!!!!
 
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March 30, 2010

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President:

For more than seventeen years, I have had the privilege of serving my country as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces, including overseas assignments in imminent danger/combat areas in Bosnia and Afghanistan.

The United States is an example to the rest of the world of a stable, civilized democratic government where all men are created equal and the rule of law is cherished and obeyed. The U.S. military teaches and promotes the rule of law and civilian control of the military to many other nations and militaries around the world. Every soldier learns what constitutes a lawful order and is encouraged to stand up and object to unlawful orders. My officer's oath of office requires that I swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I recently received deployment orders for a second deployment to Afghanistan. My orders included a requirement to bring copies of my birth certificate. I will provide a certified copy of my original birth certificate with common, standard identifiers, including the name of an attending physician and a hospital. Every day in transactions across the country, American citizens are required to prove their identity, and standards for identification have become even stricter since the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

Since the fall of 2008, I have been troubled by reports that your original birth certificate remains concealed from public view along with many other records which, if released, would quickly end questions surrounding your place of birth and "natural born" status. Many people mistake the online Certification of Live Birth for an original birth certificate. Until the summer of 2009, the Hawaiian Department of Homelands would not accept this Certification of Live Birth to determine native Hawaiian identity--the Department insisted upon also reviewing an original birth certificate. Many do not understand that the online document was from 2007, generated by computer, laser-printed, and merely a certification that there is an original birth certificate on file which may or may not be sufficiently probative. An original birth certificate is the underlying document that presumably includes a hospital and attending physician's or midwife's name that should lay to rest the "natural born" dispute.

In 2008, after pressure from the news media, Senator McCain produced an original birth certificate from the Panama Canal Zone; a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examined and affirmed his "natural born" status and Constitutional eligibility to serve as President. The U.S. Senate was silent about your eligibility, despite statements from Kenyan citizens that you were born in Mombasa, including your paternal grandmother and the Ambassador from Kenya to the U.S. during a radio interview. Hawaiian state officials claim they cannot release an original birth certificate without your consent.

I have attempted through my chain of command for many months to get answers to the questions surrounding your eligibility. I also sought answers, unsuccessfully, through my Congressional delegation. You serve as my Commander-in-Chief. Given the fact that the certification that your campaign posted online was not a document that the Hawaiian Department of Homelands regarded as a sufficient substitute for the original birth certificate and given that it has been your personal decision that has prevented the Hawaiian Department of Health from releasing your original birth certificate or any Hawaiian hospital from releasing your records, the burden of proof must rest with you.

Please assure the American people that you are indeed constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief and thereby may lawfully direct service members into harm's way. I will be proud to deploy to Afghanistan to further serve my country and my fellow soldiers, but I should only do so with the knowledge that this important provision of our Constitution is respected and obeyed. The people that continue to risk their lives and give the ultimate sacrifice to the service of our country deserve to know they do so upholding their vows to the oath of office and the Constitution.

Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an original birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility; I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.

Respectfully,

// Terry Lakin

The Steady Drip

Sounds to me like a man that takes his oath of office as a serious matter.
 
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Will the truth finally come out! Will Obama be exposed as a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist who personally use to hang out with Karl Marx. TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE EXCITING CONCLUSION! :mrgreen:

All that's been proven. The birfers just want PBO to cough an actual birth certificate.
 
Step up to your keyboard and fulfill your side of the bargain, then I'll file....... or we can wait and see what happens in kerchner vs obama.

FYI everyone - Kerchner was dismissed and is on appeal.
 
All that's been proven. The birfers just want PBO to cough an actual birth certificate.

Which is not legally required, and was done anyway long ago.
 
Look my far out left wing friend.......You know you are on my ignore list.....Someone told me you sent this stupid post...I told him don't bother the next time.... Please don't post me...I don't have time to deal with mental midgets........thanks........

It's ok, I understand you have me on ignore because I'm schooled you more than once including this time.

Hopefully the integrity of the military will be served when this guy is kicked out for disobeying a direct order from the President.
 
So what do we have?

We have Barry's Paternal Grandmother saying he was born in Mombasa, and the minister that asked the questions confirms her answers.

We have Michelle saying they returned to his home country, Kenya.

We have the Kenyan Ambassador saying he was born in Kenya.

Now we have Mr. Orengo in the Kenyan National assembly, on March 25th, 2010 saying the same. (page 31, 2nd paragraph)

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Bunch of stupid birthers. :roll:

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So what do we have?

We have Barry's Paternal Grandmother saying he was born in Mombasa, and the minister that asked the questions confirms her answers.
That's a complete lie. First of Sarah Obama is not Barry's paternal grandmother. She was the second wife of his grandfather. The street preacher McRae tries to confuse her by saying her son is running for president. If Crunch bothered listening to the audio once McRae started to press for clarification she clearly said he was born in Hawaii. That she was in Kenya at the time.
http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

There's the full audio up above.

We have Michelle saying they returned to his home country, Kenya.
Another out of context remark. John F Kennedy said his home country was ireland during a speech. How many people consider their parents heritage as their own?

Lets just look at an exhibit opening at the JFK library

On St. Patrick’s Day, March 17, 2006, the Museum at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library will open “A Journey Home – John F. Kennedy and Ireland,” a special, new exhibit that explores President Kennedy’s relationship to his ancestral homeland, featuring a large selection of never-before-seen materials from the Museum Collection including gifts presented to the president by the people of Ireland as well as other artifacts, documents, photographs and film footage relating to his Irish heritage and his June 26-29,1963 state visit to the country of his ancestors.
It just shows how easily you'll grasp at straws.

We have the Kenyan Ambassador saying he was born in Kenya.

Now we have Mr. Orengo in the Kenyan National assembly, on March 25th, 2010 saying the same. (page 31, 2nd paragraph)

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Bunch of stupid birthers. :roll:

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So can they show any proof of that? No? Thought not. More grasping at straws by stupid birthers.
 
So what do we have?

We have Barry's Paternal Grandmother saying he was born in Mombasa, and the minister that asked the questions confirms her answers.

We have Michelle saying they returned to his home country, Kenya.

We have the Kenyan Ambassador saying he was born in Kenya.

No, we have words twisted and misinterpreted and made up. And a ****ing valid birth certificate. And 66 lost cases. And hundreds of debunked claims. Oh, and did I mention the ****ing valid birth certificate?
 
Now we have Mr. Orengo in the Kenyan National assembly, on March 25th, 2010 saying the same. (page 31, 2nd paragraph)

So now birthers are using other birthers as evidence. That's called a circular argument, son.
 
Crunch,

Please tell me you didn't dig up that old, tired misrepresented, misquoted audio from Rev. McRea and Obama's step-grandmamma? Geezzzz!!!

That was debunked in the last four birther threads.

You're really reaching, son. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Crunch,

Please tell me you didn't dig up that old, tired misrepresented, misquoted audio from Rev. McRea and Obama's step-grandmamma? Geezzzz!!!

That was debunked in the last four birther threads.

You're really reaching, son. Stop embarrassing yourself.

How exactly does a birther embarrass themselves? I mean more than just being a birther, or dualer, or whatever name they are calling it these days?
 
Crunch,

Please tell me you didn't dig up that old, tired misrepresented, misquoted audio from Rev. McRea and Obama's step-grandmamma? Geezzzz!!!

That was debunked in the last four birther threads.

You're really reaching, son. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Don't expect an honest answer OV. Crunch has made it quite clear he's quite okay embarrassing himself on this subject. We hashed all this in every birther thread he's been in only for him to bring it back up in other threads. Its typical of birthers. They'll recycle arguments as if none of us were paying attention. Its why he has me on ignore. I shot down all his arguments and won't let him get away with lying.
 
Why is this is this even still being discussed seriously? This is insane!

Obama was born in Kenya? Oh yeah absolutely! And his campaign was financed by Nigerian royalty over the Internet.
 
How exactly does a birther embarrass themselves? I mean more than just being a birther, or dualer, or whatever name they are calling it these days?

By repeating the same garbage that's been debunked several times over.

Birth certificate/long-form argument...debunked.

Born in Kenya, Indonisia...debunked.

Mother gave birth at age 14...debunked.

Hawaii wasn't a state when Obama was born...debunked. 1959 versus 1961...2 year difference.

Mother recorded child's birth late...debunked.

Obama's a closet Muslin...Ummmm...I go with freedom of religion on this one even if it were true. Except in today's anti-radical Muslin climate, I really don't see what barring his religion would have on his ability to be president....that is if you support the Constitution as you claim. :roll: He says he is a Christian. For what reason should I not believe him? And again, does it really matter?

Natural Born Citizen...debunked by numerous present-day court cases that support a child born in this country to one U.S. citizen parent and a foreign born parent.

Dual-citizenship renders Obama ineligible to be President...debunked. As long as he swore alligence to this country, he's eligible. And he did this back when he became a Illinois/U.S. Senator back in the mid-late '90s. (Of course, birthers ignore the fact that Pres. Obama's dual-citizenship status expired long ago...back in or around 1984.)

None of the birther arguments hold up!
 
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