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Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

Crunch said:
That was the deal Glinda agreed to, until I wanted proof that she would pay..... then it's been nothing but chicken crap from her and PM.
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That makes no sense. Why would you want her to pay his bills? That's silly. It's a copout on your part.
 
misterman said:
That makes no sense. Why would you want her to pay his bills? That's silly. It's a copout on your part.
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Of course it is. :roll:

Why this guy would allow some anonymous person on the internet to be the foil for his master plan of suing the President and sending him back to Kenya (or wherever the **** Crunch thinks Obama came from) is beyond comprehension.

But that's what he's going with. I'm the reason he won't file his brilliant, sure-fire lawsuit. :roll:

It's freakin' laughable.
 
Let's put this entire birth certificate issue to rest here and now, shall we, with some common sense questions.

We already know that Hawaii has atleast 3 different means bywhich a person's birth can be legally registered:

1. Birth within the state.

2. Birth within 1 year within the state but properly registered by one of the parents.

3. Birth within 1 year outside of the state, but still properly registered by one of the parents.

In all cases except the last, the birth certificate/certificate of live birth would clearly indicate where the child was born and to whom. If memory serves me correctly, in the case of #2 and #3, the birth cert would indicate that the birth of the child was unusual, i.e., late registration or an out of state birth (Place of birth). Neither are the case with Pres. Obama's birth cert/cert. of live birth. This has been something that has been discussed before, but I wanted to bring it up again to try and put this matter to rest once again.

Now, to the crust of the situation...

Let's be real here, folks. If Pres. Obama's birth records were false - that is to say, if he truly was NOT born in Hawaii or anywhere in the U.S., don't you think this information would have come out by now? There are just TOO many people who touch birth records on a daily basis at county health departments for someone NOT to put real evidence that goes contrary to legitimacy for his legal birth not to be disproven at this point. Birthers...truthers...you dance around the issue of the President's birth, but you forget about the obvious. How difficult would it be for...

A. Someone within the Hawaii Department of Public Health to just pull his records, make copies and present them to the local media?

B. Someone at the local hospital where the President was born to do same?

C. For an upset relative - you know the ones...Obama's half-brother who's not receiving money from the President, or his half-sister, or even his aunt who ran into deportation issues (is she even still in the country?) -- people who actually have a "tangible interest" in the President's birth records because they are "family" - to request a copy of his records and then have them published through the media?

I mean, all one would have to do is get TMZ or the National Equirer to pay someone to pull his records if they were in fact false! (And mind you, I am NOT advocating or encouraging anyone to pay a bribe for any reason whatsoever. I'm just stating how easy it would be for the birthers/truthers to get the evidence they'd need to prove their case.)

Birthers...truthers...or whatever you call yourselves these days, WAKE UP! It's too damned easy to discredit the man's birth assuming that his birth records are, in fact, a fraud! But here again I challenge any and everyone who honestly believes the man was born outside the U.S. or even inside but that his mother gave birth to him at age 14 and not 16 or older to provide that prima facia evidence. Provide proof of your claim and let's been done with this non-sense once and for all. Because just as the natural-born citizen argument has been smashed to bits, so should this absurdity!
 
Ockham said:
The actual certificate was never released, only a facsimile, electronically, which is what fuels the people like this Lt. Col. from believing Obama's legitimacy.
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I doubt you were implying that the Pres. should release his actually birth cert. so that any and EVERYONE who doubts the legitimacy of his birth can touch, feel and see the document for him/herself. Because that would be IMPOSSIBLE!

IMO, the right people who needed to see his birth certificate has seen it. Not you, or me or anyone else who have no true legal basis for seeing it. The Illinois Senate, the U.S. Senate, the Democratic National Convention and any other entity that is required to certify a presidential candidates creditials have all seen and signed off on whatever it is they needed to see and sign off on. This process of vetting a candiate has gone on for so long...it's not like the process just started right before Obama won the election. Geezzz! (And again, that wasn't necessarily meant for you; just the idiots out there who continue to bring up this issue.)

I think Pres. Obama did the one and only thing he could do in an attempt to stop all the inquires, only it added fuel to the fire. Now, what I would have done when he did hold a press conference on this matter soon after he was elected was to show a copy of his birth cert. right then and there. But I can understand why he didn't; it wouldn't have changed anything. Many people still wouldn't have believed that what he held up was legit. To some, it would never have proven a thing.

So, again, I say to the birthers/truthers, go get your evidence and prove the man ineligible to serve. It should be as easy as...well, you know...have seed money, will get you what you want. :doh
 
This guy is a Lt. Colonel? Is this indicative of the caliber of intelligence in our military these days. Not only is this guy, in rivrrat's words, an "idiot" for questioning what has already been produced but, he likely is throwing away his career and possibly pension. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

I just hope this fool doesn't have the authority to send troops into harm's way. :doh
 
ADK_Forever said:
This guy is a Lt. Colonel? Is this indicative of the caliber of intelligence in our military these days. Not only is this guy, in rivrrat's words, an "idiot" for questioning what has already been produced but, he likely is throwing away his career and possibly pension. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

I just hope this fool doesn't have the authority to send troops into harm's way. :doh
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He's a doctor..... he fixes people....... his orders will be rescinded just like the last two that refused to be sent (that keeps Barry's records from being subpoenaed in discovery).

He isn't the first, and he won't be the last.

What will they do if they have a war, and nobody comes?
 
Crunch said:
He's a doctor..... he fixes people....... his orders will be rescinded just like the last two that refused to be sent (that keeps Barry's records from being subpoenaed in discovery).

He isn't the first, and he won't be the last.

What will they do if they have a war, and nobody comes?
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I only found info on one of the alleged two (Stefan Cook). His orders were rescinded because he was a reservist who had volunteered, he had the right to change his mind, and did. He made that decision, not the military. And his court case proceeded, it wasn't cancelled. It was...dismissed.
 
Navy Pride said:
Just a thought maybe the people who give Barry a pass are the stupid ones...:roll:
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Again, where this birth cert issue is concerned, you or some other birther/truther will have to prove it by providing your evidence to the contrary on the legitimacy of his birth. So, until that happens you guys are the stupid ones for continuing this non-sense.

Go gather your prove and then you can point to all of us Obama supporters (be it in principle or genuine admiration) that we were all fools for believing in him. Until then, this is yet another thread that's been a complete waste of time and energy.
 
Navy Pride said:
Just a thought maybe the people who give Barry a pass are the stupid ones...:roll:
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A pass?

66 lawsuits lost. Zero won. How many will it take? Or are all the courts and judges in on the conspiracy too?
 
misterman said:
I only found info on one of the alleged two (Stefan Cook). His orders were rescinded because he was a reservist who had volunteered, he had the right to change his mind, and did. He made that decision, not the military. And his court case proceeded, it wasn't cancelled. It was...dismissed.
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Let’s get something straight right off the bat….. Cook had the right himself to rescind his orders……… that was his right as a volunteer. That is not what happened, the military rescinded his orders. That’s a tad bit different don’t you say? (of course not)

I get it.... so when Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin has his orders rescinded....... let me guess.

It will be because he was a volunteer too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gullible Faithers. :roll:
 
Crunch said:
Let’s get something straight right off the bat….. Cook had the right himself to rescind his orders……… that was his right as a volunteer. That is not what happened, the military rescinded his orders. That’s a tad bit different don’t you say? (of course not)
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Nope. He requested that they be rescinded, and the military complied. He made the decision. They had to do the paperwork.

I get it.... so when Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin has his orders rescinded....... let me guess.
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Guessing is what you do best.
 
Crunch said:
He's a doctor..... he fixes people....... his orders will be rescinded just like the last two that refused to be sent (that keeps Barry's records from being subpoenaed in discovery).

He isn't the first, and he won't be the last.

What will they do if they have a war, and nobody comes?
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This idiot should be court martialed. Even IF Obama was not a citizen he is NOW the president. His orders are still valid. However, he is a citizen and dumbo is an Army officer. If gays can be discharged for simply living, then he deserves to have the book thrown at him.

Yeah, we realize there are a lot more idiots who think like him. It's the reality of today's Repub party.
 
ADK_Forever said:
This idiot should be court martialed. Even IF Obama was not a citizen he is NOW the president. His orders are still valid. However, he is a citizen and dumbo is an Army officer. If gays can be discharged for simply living, then he deserves to have the book thrown at him.

Yeah, we realize there are a lot more idiots who think like him. It's the reality of today's Repub party.
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See.. that's where you are wrong.

If he isn't eligible to be President, he isn't President.... he would be a usurper.

None of his orders or orders done under the authority of the CiC would be legal.

None of the Executive orders he has signed would be legal.

None of his appointments would be valid.

Nothing that has happened since January of last year would have legal weight......... nothing.

That is why the courts won't touch it, but we can always hope that the oaths that they took will at some point mean something, and a Judge will find the balls to do the right thing....... hear the case on it's merits, and judge the case only on it's merits without prejudice. That hasn’t happened yet.
 
Crunch said:
Link............
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Soldier who says Obama isn't president doesn't have to deploy, Army says - Breaking News - Ledger-Enquirer.com

Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.

Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee (IMA), meaning he is a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit for duty. He is assigned to the U.S. Army Element of U.S. Southern Command. Last week he filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector through his California-based attorney, Orly Taitz.

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Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.

"A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said.
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Crunch said:
No..... just gullible.
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A birther/dueler(whatever they are calling themselves this week) calling some one gullible, again.

:rofl:rofl
 
ADK_Forever said:
This idiot should be court martialed. Even IF Obama was not a citizen he is NOW the president. His orders are still valid. However, he is a citizen and dumbo is an Army officer. If gays can be discharged for simply living, then he deserves to have the book thrown at him.

Yeah, we realize there are a lot more idiots who think like him. It's the reality of today's Repub party.
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This guy is a Lt. Colonel? Is this indicative of the caliber of intelligence in our military these days. Not only is this guy, in rivrrat's words, an "idiot" for questioning what has already been produced but, he likely is throwing away his career and possibly pension.
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Its really nice to see a man with Principles out there and willing to back them with his career and life......

My hat is off to him............
 
Navy Pride said:
Its really nice to see a man with Principles out there and willing to back them with his career and life......

My hat is off to him............
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What principles? He is not intelligent enough to tell nutty conspiracy theory from reality. That is not a principle.
 
Crunch said:
See.. that's where you are wrong.

If he isn't eligible to be President, he isn't President.... he would be a usurper.

None of his orders or orders done under the authority of the CiC would be legal.

None of the Executive orders he has signed would be legal.

None of his appointments would be valid.

Nothing that has happened since January of last year would have legal weight......... nothing.

That is why the courts won't touch it, but we can always hope that the oaths that they took will at some point mean something, and a Judge will find the balls to do the right thing....... hear the case on it's merits, and judge the case only on it's merits without prejudice. That hasn’t happened yet.
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Wrong, wrong annnnnnd wrong. Just where do you get your ideas from:confused:

Here's a few things to consider that I have been assured are factual:

  1. Obama's birth certificate has been declared legal. Therefore, he is a U.S. citizen.
  2. If his birth certificate were not valid he is a natural born citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen, and since that is what is minimally needed to be eligible to be president... he would still be our duly elected, sworn in and valid president.
  3. If he were not a natural born citizen he would still be the president having been sworn in. To be removed from office he would probably have to be impeached. That would require a bunch of Democrats to believe he was not naturally born and be willing to impeach him. Want to bet on this happening?
  4. If his birth certificate were deemed invalid and he was determined to not be a naturally born citizen and enough Demorcats voted to impeach him everything that he did and signed into law would still be legal. THEN you would have to live with Joe Biden as your new president. Repubs should be careful what you wish for!

All of that being said, that army officer is an even bigger idiot than he seemed at first glance!
 
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