• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

Glad to know Navy thinks its legitimate and something to take your hat off to to have people question rather the United States killed 3,000+ of its own citizens on 9/11 to get into a war for oil. I mean, since he seems to think the only requirement for something to be legitimate is if:

Navy Pride said:
millions of people question it
Click to expand...

Didn't realize you take your hat off to people who think 9/11 is an inside job Navy. Since birther's are just the whacked out mirror image of the whacked out truthers.

In all seriousness, simply because a large (though relatively small compared to the entire populations number) group believe something stupid does not mean it is any more credible nor legit. It strains all credibility to believe that throughout this entire political career no opponent no internal vetting would have turned this up in a way that was enough to cause a red flag, that there's some vast conspiracy going on in the state of Hawaii that dates back to the days of his birth, and on. Its idiotic, as idiotic as believing the US planned out 9/11 and took down the building with explosions to take the country to war.
 
Last edited:
misterman said:
Because you are responsible for backing up your own arguments.

Watch:

100 million people think you are a clown. Prove it's not true.
Click to expand...

but not a legitimate clown, unless he can provide a certificate of graduation from clown school...;)

If Obama was not a citizen, HRC and other democrat wannabes would have made it an issue during the primaries, and McCain would have made it an issue during the election.
 
UtahBill said:
but not a legitimate clown, unless he can provide a certificate of graduation from clown school...;)
Click to expand...

A long-form clown certificate!
 
rivrrat said:
Come clean on what? He has done what every president before him has done. Submitted a copy of his birth certificate. So what does he need to come clean on?
Click to expand...

No... what was done is post online what is proported to be a document that states there was a live birth, that is all that document, if real, is worth.......evidence of live birth..... read the bottom of said document if you don't believe me.

another-hawaiian-bc.jpg


Right there above where it says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

After you get what it says firmly in mind, look up HRS 338-13(b) and 338-(19)
 
Navy Pride said:
A lot of people disagree with a prez but the birth place is not usually in doubt but when a president like Obama lies about everything it causes some doubt....
Click to expand...

There is now no doubt where Barry was born..... just ask Michelle. (right at 40 sec.)

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxh1PvjP0Ug"]YouTube- Michelle Obama speaking at the LGBT Delegate (The World as it Should Be)[/nomedia]
 
misterman said:
So I can see how he got the state of Hawaii, including a Republican governor, to go along with his forgery of his birth certificate. A few payoffs, maybe sending a few people to some FEMA death camps will accomplish that.

But how did he make thousands of copies of the newspaper with that fake birth announcment and sneak it into every library on earth, including microfilm? That had to take at least a week of careful planning. Very impressive.
Click to expand...

I wasn't born in Portland, Oregon, but my birth announcement was in their paper.... conspiracy? No, my Grandmother lived there.... Hello!!!!!!!!

Now, show where the Republican Governor of Hawaii ever said that online forgery was real...... this should be good. :rofl
 
dirtpoorchris said:
If it is because he is scared... Well, he wasn't scared enough to not complete his first term.

Also, where Americans banned from traveling into Afganistan in the 1980s? I don't know the whole situation but supposedly Barack went into Afganistan for a few weeks in 81? Is it correct that Americans couldn't get passports n such at that time? Or are people just putting out misinfo?
Click to expand...

Pakistan, not Afghanistan.

There is no record (people have done FOIA requests) of Barry ever having an American passport until he became a Ill. senator.
 
Crunch said:
No... what was done is post online what is proported to be a document that states there was a live birth, that is all that document, if real, is worth.......evidence of live birth..... read the bottom of said document if you don't believe me.


Right there above where it says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

After you get what it says firmly in mind, look up HRS 338-13(b) and 338-(19)
Click to expand...

Yeah, birth certificates say that any alterations invalidate them. And?
 
Redress said:
This thread belongs in the Conspiracy Theory forum with the rest of the nuts. We are getting the same old tried and true arguments that have been tried multiple times and proven false(hint: his trip was perfectly legal, fact check people), and the old "well I just don't believe him cuz, well, cuz I don't like him" argument. Watching Navy self destruct is kinda amusing, but that is about it.
Click to expand...

Same as always....... as soon as anyone should be so crass as to actually question Barry's credentials, someone rushes in to get the thread tossed in the basement......... usually at around 100+ posts.

Good job Redress......... Barry is proud of you.
 
Zyphlin said:
Since birther's are just the whacked out mirror image of the whacked out truthers.
Click to expand...

Which just goes to show that you don't know what you are talking about..... Mod or not.
 
rivrrat said:
Yeah, birth certificates say that any alterations invalidate them. And?
Click to expand...

Don't read so good do you.... go back and try again........ strain your brain, you can do it.
 
Crunch said:
I wasn't born in Portland, Oregon, but my birth announcement was in their paper.... conspiracy? No, my Grandmother lived there.... Hello!!!!!!!!
Click to expand...

Obama's birth announcement lists his parents address in Hawaii.

Now, show where the Republican Governor of Hawaii ever said that online forgery was real...... this should be good. :rofl
Click to expand...

Never said she did.

The state director of records did though.

Give up your insane loony conspiracy theories. They are simply nuts.
 
Crunch said:
Don't read so good do you.... go back and try again........ strain your brain, you can do it.
Click to expand...

Still not getting your point. So how about straining your brain and actually coming up with something logical?
 
misterman said:
Obama's birth announcement lists his parents address in Hawaii.
Click to expand...

Hmmmm........ mine said my parents lived in Oregon. I was born in California however. I think we can call that a fail.
Never said she did.

The state director of records did though.
Click to expand...

Hawaii's AG won't confirm that any real records were used to substantiate those claims.... that's another fail.
Give up your insane loony conspiracy theories. They are simply nuts.
Click to expand...

Give up your insane gullible Faither crap....... it just makes you look like a real easy mark. :2wave:
 
Crunch said:
Hmmmm........ mine said my parents lived in Oregon. I was born in California however. I think we can call that a fail.

Hawaii's AG won't confirm that any real records were used to substantiate those claims.... that's another fail.

Give up your insane gullible Faither crap....... it just makes you look like a real easy mark. :2wave:
Click to expand...

The birth announcements usually come from local hospitals.

The AG also won't stand on his head in public. Doesn't prove he can't.

The birth certificate is real and valid, and it's the final legal document in the matter. It's over.

Your ludicrous theories all come down to "it's possible." Yes, it's possible Obama's parents had him in Kenya and sent an announcement to Hawaii newspapers, then he faked his birth certificate. It's also possible that aliens came from Pluto and did all that, after planting a worm in his brain to control his thoughts.

That's certainly possible.
 
rivrrat said:
Still not getting your point. So how about straining your brain and actually coming up with something logical?
Click to expand...

OK...... I'll lead you by the hand and explain the big words....

Right there above where it says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

After you get what it says firmly in mind, look up HRS 338-13(b) and 338-(19)
Click to expand...

See right there where it says "above"? That means the part that came from a higher part of the page. What part of the page is below the part I want you to read? That would be the part that says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE". That means I'm not interested in that part, but the part that is above (we covered that) "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE".

So, what does that say?
 
Crunch said:
OK...... I'll lead you by the hand and explain the big words....



See right there where it says "above"? That means the part that came from a higher part of the page. What part of the page is below the part I want you to read? That would be the part that says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE". That means I'm not interested in that part, but the part that is above (we covered that) "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE".

So, what does that say?
Click to expand...

uh huh, got that.... and your point is?
 
Crunch said:
OK...... I'll lead you by the hand and explain the big words....



See right there where it says "above"? That means the part that came from a higher part of the page. What part of the page is below the part I want you to read? That would be the part that says "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE". That means I'm not interested in that part, but the part that is above (we covered that) "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE".

So, what does that say?
Click to expand...

What does this say?

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."

Of course, this was only reported in lots of newspapers. So it might be a forgery or a liberal plot too. Anything is possible.
 
misterman said:
The birth announcements usually come from local hospitals.
Click to expand...
Or Grandma calling it in to the local paper.
The AG also won't stand on his head in public. Doesn't prove he can't.
Click to expand...
Won't, not can't. (look them up if you don't know the difference)
The birth certificate is real and valid, and it's the final legal document in the matter. It's over.
Click to expand...
That would be true if he would just show one to a proper authority... he hasn't, and has gone to great lengths to avoid it.
Your ludicrous theories all come down to "it's possible." Yes, it's possible Obama's parents had him in Kenya and sent an announcement to Hawaii newspapers, then he faked his birth certificate. It's also possible that aliens came from Pluto and did all that, after planting a worm in his brain to control his thoughts.

That's certainly possible.
Click to expand...

The first part certainly is looking better day by day.. even Michelle says he was born in Kenya...... the second theory you were proposing does sound so good to me...... got a link?
 
rivrrat said:
uh huh, got that.... and your point is?
Click to expand...

What does it say?.... quote it so we both know we are looking at the same thing.
 
Crunch said:
What does it say?.... quote it so we both know we are looking at the same thing.
Click to expand...

Do I come off as someone to be commanded around? If you want it quoted, then quote it your damn self.
 
misterman said:
What does this say?

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."
Click to expand...

Gasp......... why, that is a violation of Hawaii’s State law!!!!!! (HRS 338) Do you realize she gave out confidential information that is illegal for her to divulge? Do you often quote criminals to back up your views?
Of course, this was only reported in lots of newspapers. So it might be a forgery or a liberal plot too. Anything is possible.
Click to expand...

I suppose it could be, but the more reasonable explanation might be that she is a Barry supporter, and doesn't know the laws she opperates under..... that might also be the reason the AG doesn't want anything to do with her.

Of course I'd never expect a gullible faither to see that.
 
Crunch said:
Gasp......... why, that is a violation of Hawaii’s State law!!!!!! (HRS 338) Do you realize she gave out confidential information that is illegal for her to divulge? Do you often quote criminals to back up your views?
Click to expand...

So does that make it untrue?

I suppose it could be, but the more reasonable explanation might be that she is a Barry supporter, and doesn't know the laws she opperates under..... that might also be the reason the AG doesn't want anything to do with her.
Click to expand...

Well, no, it's not a more reasonable explanation. It's an absolutely ludicrous one. Whenever confronted with alternatives, you simply choose the most ridiculous one that supports your goofy ideas, no matter how absurd.
 
rivrrat said:
Do I come off as someone to be commanded around? If you want it quoted, then quote it your damn self.
Click to expand...

Do I come off as someone to be comanded around? Why can't you read it your damned self?

Capture-12.jpg


The real question is, can you correctly interpret what you are reading?

I'll know more about that tomorrow. :2wave:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom