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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I liveed in the state of Hawaii for 5 years and it is and always has been onee of the most corrupt states in the union.........All of the reps in congress From Dan Inouye on down are dems and for the most part always have been..........
    You didn't answer the question.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LOL So wait a second... you actually think that a president should just send out his paper version of his birth certificate to handed about the public? Seriously?
    I thought he should have provided a public viewing of his actual certificate when this whole thing started during the campaign. It would shut people up and diffuse the conspiracy nuts that were sure to get vocal. If he did that, there'd be no fuel for these people to run on. Come on now... conspiracy's are an American past time. I'm firmly of the belief that Obama consciously didn't share it in hopes to use the conspiracy nuts against his political enemies and to paint them with that broad brush.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The only ones EVER released for ANY president are copies of the original. With good reason.
    Not sure about ... I know of no original Certificates of Birth's being released while in office but there may have in our history been a time/reason; posthumously they are released. The birthers will simply have to wait until Obama kicks the bucket. To put at risk the Constitutionality of an entire Presidency by lying / fraudulently certifying a non naturally born citizen as President is almost unthinkable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I thought he should have provided a public viewing of his actual certificate when this whole thing started during the campaign.
    Why should he have done what was asked of no other president before him?

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I thought he should have provided a public viewing of his actual certificate when this whole thing started during the campaign. It would shut people up and diffuse the conspiracy nuts that were sure to get vocal. If he did that, there'd be no fuel for these people to run on.
    NOTHING Obama did would take away their fuel. He could have provided video of his head coming out of his momma in front of Mon Lau and they'd say it was faked. It was perfectly reasonable to post his birth certificate on the internet. Anything more would have just added fuel, not taken it away. These people will believe anything, no matter how absurd.

    Come on now... conspiracy's are an American past time. I'm firmly of the belief that Obama consciously didn't share it in hopes to use the conspiracy nuts against his political enemies and to paint them with that broad brush.
    Yes - so now you have your own nutbag conspiracy! It was all a plot to make people who think it's all a plot look stupid! That's a great one! You should write conspiracies for a living.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    What are you trying to say? Cowardice can come in all ranks. Trust me, I've seen it.
    If it is because he is scared... Well, he wasn't scared enough to not complete his first term.

    Also, where Americans banned from traveling into Afganistan in the 1980s? I don't know the whole situation but supposedly Barack went into Afganistan for a few weeks in 81? Is it correct that Americans couldn't get passports n such at that time? Or are people just putting out misinfo?
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you expected them to, what, order several hundred thousand copies from the Stater of Hawaii and mail them to anyone who asked for it?
    No. Copies are not valid. Public viewing for camera's only. Put the person who's job it is to validate the original on camera. Interview the FEC stating the requirements are met. In 2 days it would be over and done.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They made it public on the internet. The state officials said it was legitimate. That's about all need be said (unless someone is going to come along and say the only proof is video of his birth, like they're saying with the teabaggers spitting on black congressmen).
    No they didn't. And electronic versions only allowed people to photoshop it and make tons of electronic frauds, furthering the conspiracy nuts motives.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    (BTW, they did let FactCheck.org see the actual paper document and examine it in detail).

    FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
    Meh - why beat around the bush... they could have just done what I described at first in my reply here --- do it right. They didn't - so we'll have birthers and their views on record about it. Get used to it because they won't go away, just like the 9/11 truthers, which have infected many public people, hollywood idiots aside.
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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Why should he have done what was asked of no other president before him?
    Because there were more questions (and are still) about his origins than any other president before him. Why not clear the issue unless there's a benefit to continuing the conspiracy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    i think he went to pakistan, a college trip. so?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    NOTHING Obama did would take away their fuel. He could have provided video of his head coming out of his momma in front of Mon Lau and they'd say it was faked. It was perfectly reasonable to post his birth certificate on the internet. Anything more would have just added fuel, not taken it away. These people will believe anything, no matter how absurd.
    For some you're right, nothing will ever be good enough - and that's ok. For others, perhaps like this Lt. Col., it might have been enough. And what is perfectly reasonable to you, may not be to someone else... it's subjective and highly individualized.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes - so now you have your own nutbag conspiracy! It was all a plot to make people who think it's all a plot look stupid! That's a great one! You should write conspiracies for a living.
    One doesn't have to BE Rahm Emmanuel to THINK like Rahm Emmanuel.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No. Copies are not valid. Public viewing for camera's only. Put the person who's job it is to validate the original on camera. Interview the FEC stating the requirements are met. In 2 days it would be over and done.
    There is no requirement, by the FEC or the law, for a birth certificate to be presented. Nor is there any person whose job it is to validate it. (If there were, he/she could do so anyway, so no cameras would be needed).

    No they didn't. And electronic versions
    Did they or didn't they? Make up your mind. I can link to if you want.

    Meh - why beat around the bush... they could have just done what I described at first in my reply here --- do it right. They didn't - so we'll have birthers and their views on record about it. Get used to it because they won't go away, just like the 9/11 truthers, which have infected many public people, hollywood idiots aside.
    Yes, it's all their fault that lunatics say ridiculous things about them.

    You're a conspiracy theorist too now, officially.

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