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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Question all you want, but once you're grievence has been heard by your immediate chain of command, the matter should be dropped. I mean, come on, apdst! You claim to be a veteran. Do you honestly believe that our servicemen and women should be so blantantly disobedient just because they don't want to follow the orders of their superiors especially when they have no proof to substantiat the claim they make? It's absord and goes against the ideals of good order and discipline.

    Lt.Col Lakin deserves to be court martialed not because his grievence may not have had any merit, but because he's a fool for disobeying orders so blindly.
    The gievance is to be heard by the commander that the gievance is against and he is to address it. Unless you can find docs saying otherwise, that's the law.

    BTW, has Lakin's gievance been addressed by anyone? It hasn't. Has it?
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Point to an example of someone in the military able to file a grievance personally against the president and disregard direct orders from his superiors and then have it addressed by the President. Once again you think you know more than military lawyers like Price, Myers, and Cave
    Post something that proves me wrong, other than your opinion, that is. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The gievance is to be heard by the commander that the gievance is against and he is to address it. Unless you can find docs saying otherwise, that's the law.

    BTW, has Lakin's gievance been addressed by anyone? It hasn't. Has it?
    So if it wasn't addressed he's now breaking the chain of command. Either way you have a no win scenario for Lakin

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Post something that proves me wrong, other than your opinion, that is. Thanks in advance.
    Prove you're not crazy. Again you're asking me to prove negative when you've shown no instances where your scenario has played out.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    So if it wasn't addressed he's now breaking the chain of command. Either way you have a no win scenario for Lakin
    Article 138 doesn't apply to the chain of command. It allows a soldier to jump the chain of command and go directly to Congress.
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Article 138 doesn't apply to the chain of command. It allows a soldier to jump the chain of command and go directly to Congress.
    So why didn't he just do that? Since it is congress that overseas eligibility. This is shameful grandstanding and he will lose. The president's eligibility is irrelevant to his orders

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LOL...there's no need for precedence, since there's no restriction on how high up the chain of command a soldier can go to address a gievance.
    And once again, it's his IMMEDIATE chain of command that he needs to address his grievence to. Not his Congressman, Senator, Supreme Court or even the President.

    The heiarchy within military organizations is there for a reason. To handle such situations at the lowest level possible. If you're the veteran you claim to be you know this to be absolutely true!

    And yes, Lt. Col Lakin has every right to appeal, but when it has been determined that his case has no merit and that his actions went against good order and discipline, the individual deserves to be punished for his wrong-doing. And that's where it ends.

    Lt.Col Lakin's superior office has determined that he acted beyond the limits of his paygrade, and, moreover, his grievence had no merit and he conducted himself in violation of the UCMJ. He knew it and is therefore being punished for it. He knew it was coming. As far as I'm concerned, he deserves what he gets.
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Article 138 doesn't apply to the chain of command. It allows a soldier to jump the chain of command and go directly to Congress.
    Then you obviously know that an Article 138 complaint can also be denied. Which is what seems to have happened here. Lakin claims he filed one over a year ago.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    "Grieving" something is not the same as disobeying a direct lawful order. This dope is way past grieving anything now, except his future that is.
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Article 138 doesn't apply to the chain of command. It allows a soldier to jump the chain of command and go directly to Congress.
    Just so we're all clear on exactly what Article 138 of the UCMJ says:

    Any member of the armed forces who believes himself wronged by his commanding officer, and who, upon due application to that commanding officer, is refused redress, may complain to any superior commissioned officer, who shall foreword the complaint to the office exercising court- martial jurisdiction over the officer against whom it is made. The officer exercising general court-martial jurisdiction shall examine into the complaint and take proper measures for redressing the wrong complained of; and he shall, as soon as possible, send to the Secretary concerned a true statement of that complaint, with the proceedings thereon.
    Now, who is LtCol Lakin's immediate Commanding Officer? Who does he report directly to in complying with his orders? Who signs his fitness reports? I can tell you it is NOT the President of the United States. At the most, the highest Lt.Col Lakin's complaint could have gone is to the Secretary of the Army, but no further. That portion in bold clearly illustrates that his appeal had a particular avenue of redress to follow and once it got to that point within the appeal process, his avenue of appeal stopped right there.

    Sidenote: You can pull this okie-doke on ordinary civilians, but you can't fool us vets.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 04-25-10 at 05:44 PM.

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