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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    court martial time, and rightly so.
    … And, rightly so.

    Excerpted from “Court Martial Charges Brought Against Birther Army Doc” By Justin Elliott, TPMMuckraker, April 23, 2010, 9:21AM
    Formal court martial charges have been brought against Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army doctor who believes President Obama may not be a natural born citizen, for failing to follow orders, the military said today.

    Lakin was charged Thursday "with one specification of a violation of Article 87, Missing Movement and four specifications of a violation of Article 92 (three specifications of Failure to Obey a Lawful Order, and one Specification of Dereliction of Duty)," said Chuck Dasey, spokesman at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where Lakin is assigned. …
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    court martial time, and rightly so.
    No, it's not court martial time. A soldier has the right to ask that his commander who is ordering him to take another person's life is his ligitimate commander in chief. Redressing grievances to a commading officer is a soldier's right. It's in the UCMJ.

    What amazes me is how the folks calling for this officer's court martial are the same ones that supported Eric Wattada when he was derelict in his duty.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's not court martial time. A soldier has the right to ask that his commander who is ordering him to take another person's life is his ligitimate commander in chief. Redressing grievances to a commading officer is a soldier's right. It's in the UCMJ.

    What amazes me is how the folks calling for this officer's court martial are the same ones that supported Eric Wattada when he was derelict in his duty.
    Yes, every soldier should be able to ask and recieve a copy the birth certificate of everyone in his chain of command any time he feels like it. As matter of fact every member of the armed service should refuse to do his or her job until they can produce a "long form " of birth certificate................

    This wasn't the military I was in.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yes, every soldier should be able to ask and recieve a copy the birth certificate of everyone in his chain of command any time he feels like it. As matter of fact every member of the armed service should refuse to do his or her job until they can produce a "long form " of birth certificate................

    This wasn't the military I was in.
    The Army that I was in and Article 138 of the UCMJ, that governed my conduct said, "A soldier has the right to complain and request correction of a grievance against his commander." Additional information can also be found in FM 27-1 (Chapter 10), if you need clarity.

    Perhaps we were in two different armies, afterall.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I'm wondering if they're misplaced though. You do know even if president Obama wasn't eligible Larkin still had no case and would be court martialed.
    That could be but its amazing that a LT Col 0-5 would give up his career for a principle.......
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Army that I was in and Article 138 of the UCMJ, that governed my conduct said, "A soldier has the right to complain and request correction of a grievance against his commander."
    Sure, but that doesn't make the grievance legitimate.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That could be but its amazing that a LT Col 0-5 would give up his career for a principle.......
    There's nothing principled about giving up your career based on a lie.

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Army that I was in and Article 138 of the UCMJ, that governed my conduct said, "A soldier has the right to complain and request correction of a grievance against his commander." Additional information can also be found in FM 27-1 (Chapter 10), if you need clarity.

    Perhaps we were in two different armies, afterall.
    There's also something called the chain of command right?

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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Army that I was in and Article 138 of the UCMJ, that governed my conduct said, "A soldier has the right to complain and request correction of a grievance against his commander." Additional information can also be found in FM 27-1 (Chapter 10), if you need clarity.

    Perhaps we were in two different armies, afterall.
    That refers to the individual's commander (commanding officers) in his/her direct chain of command and has absolutely NOTHING to do with who his or her command-in-chief is

    You really stretched that one, buddy.

    Anyway, some time ago when all of this birther crap first presented itself, someone mentioned how each political party committee, RNC and DNC, both have procedures in place whereby they verify the eligibility of their respective presidential candidate. So, out of curiosity I did a search for the 2008 DNC bylaws, which can be read in its entirety here. Per paragraph 12K:

    K. 1. Based on the right of the Democratic Party to freely assemble and to determine the criteria for its candidates, it is determined that all candidates for the Democratic nomination for President or Vice President shall:

    a. be registered to vote, and shall have been registered to vote in the last election for the office of President and Vice President; and

    b. have demonstrated a commitment to the goals and objectives of the Democratic Party as determined by the National Chair and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
    2. It is further determined that these requirements are in addition to the requirements set forth by the United States Constitution and any law of the United States.
    To be fair, the following outlines the criteria for the RNC presidentical candidate nomination:

    (5) In electing or selecting delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention, no state law shall be observed which hinders, abridges, or denies to any citizen of the United States, eligible under the Constitution of the United States to hold the office of President of the United States or Vice President of the United States, the right or privilege of being a candidate under such state law for the nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States or which authorizes the election or selection of a number of delegates or alternate delegates from any state to the national convention different from that fixed in these rules.
    The RCN 2008 rules can be read here.

    It's kind of ironic really when you stop and think about it that the criteria for the DNC presidential candidate are stronger than those for the RNC presidential candidate. Anyway, my point is the DNC rules are very clear. Before a Democratic presidential candidate can be placed on any state ballot, he (or she) must have voted in the last presidential election. And as we all know, only U.S. citizens have the right to vote in such elections. Before one can register to vote, he (or she) must show proof of residency, i.e., valid state driver's license and other residency documentation, such as a utility bill. The key here is the individual's driver's license. Even at age 15.5 everyone has to show some form of birth verification document to your local DMV/Driver's Ed instructor whether you provided same yourself or it is provided by your local high school administration. It all goes back to common sense, folks. Too bad some people choose not to exercise it.
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    Re: Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure, but that doesn't make the grievance legitimate.
    And, no where does it say that the grievance have to be legitimate, only that a soldier has the right to have his grievance addressed. It's a soldier's right after all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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