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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Well, you would think the Commerce Clause + the 10th Amendment. But maybe I'm just one of those crazy white guys that still believes that the Founders intended for a limited government and would have been pissed had someone suggested their work would lead to a national government requiring the purchase of a private good/service as a condition of citizenship...

    But I'm just another white racist, right?
    Or like the purchase of territory without Congress, the establishment of a Central bank, creation of central currency, Alien and sedition act.....

    The 10th Amendment? Can you elaborate on that?


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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wow... That congressman sux at being a congressman. I betcha a random lottery to determine government would end up being more effective than the crap we have now. They might as well have Elmer Fud for congress. It is hard to watch the whole vid and think that this congressman is going to keep his job. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
    I think it's more like he sucks at thinking on his feet when he's being thoroughly antagonized.

    Most of us are like that.

    That said, I'm a fan of the lottery idea.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Or like the purchase of territory without Congress, the establishment of a Central bank, creation of central currency, Alien and sedition act.....

    The 10th Amendment? Can you elaborate on that?
    The 10th Amendment? Ain't that the one which reads:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    I see the power to regulate interstate commerce belonging to the national government. I don't see the power to regulate intrastate commerce being delegated to the national government. Hence, this power is reserved to the States.

    Also, I see nothing in the Constitution enumerating an authority to require, as a condition of citizenship, the purchase of a private good/service.

    I don't think this is a very sophisticated argument. It kinda just, well, jumps out at you as you consider the constitutionality of this kind of legislation.

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    But maybe I'm just one of those crazy white guys that still believes that the Founders intended for a limited government and would have been pissed had someone suggested their work would lead to a national government requiring the purchase of a private good/service as a condition of citizenship...

    But I'm just another white racist, right?
    I also don't think the Founders intended corporations that exist perpetually, fiat currency, gun registration laws, nuclear weapons, "force projection," a "war on" whatever, the PATRIOT act, or for basic health care to be so expensive you have to pay someone to pay for it for you, but hey.

    That's the world we live in.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    [quote=Conservative Sword;1058662493]The 10th Amendment? Ain't that the one which reads:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Reserved to the States, or the people who are represented by the federal Congress.

    I see the power to regulate interstate commerce belonging to the national government. I don't see the power to regulate intrastate commerce being delegated to the national government. Hence, this power is reserved to the States.
    And the people again who are represented by the Congress.

    Also, I see nothing in the Constitution enumerating an authority to require, as a condition of citizenship, the purchase of a private good/service.
    Your citizenship wont be revoked for not getting insured. You will simply pay your share of the taxes to compensate for the cost of treating you anyways.


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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I also don't think the Founders intended corporations that exist perpetually, fiat currency, gun registration laws, nuclear weapons, "force projection," a "war on" whatever, the PATRIOT act, or for basic health care to be so expensive you have to pay someone to pay for it for you, but hey.

    That's the world we live in.
    And these are arguments in favor of Obamacare?

    You just roll over now?

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    No, I just think an argument about the Constitutionality of "Obamacare" is superflous at this point because there are all sorts of things the government does which are unConstitutional which we take for granted.

    As such, I prefer to argue the issue on its own merits, rather than on the basis of Constitutionality.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Reserved to the States, or the people who are represented by the federal Congress.
    LOL...I see. So powers not specifically granted to Congress are only reserved to the States only if the States act on those powers? Otherwise, the power is just granted to the national government?

    And the people again who are represented by the Congress.
    You're rendering the 10th Amendment completely meaningless. So you really believe that the 10th is nothing but a vehicle to grant power to the national government that was never intended to be granted to the national government?

    Your citizenship wont be revoked for not getting insured. You will simply pay your share of the taxes to compensate for the cost of treating you anyways.
    As citizens we are required to purchase a good/service or we face sanction by the government. Is that not a condition of citizenship?

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I just think an argument about the Constitutionality of "Obamacare" is superflous at this point because there are all sorts of things the government does which are unConstitutional which we take for granted.

    As such, I prefer to argue the issue on its own merits, rather than on the basis of Constitutionality.
    Oh, so we're ready to simply say that whatever the national government does it is constitutional?

    You are, indeed, simply rolling over.

    And, btw, the constitutionality of any legislative action is, you know, a merit of the legsialtion.

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    Re: Congressman Caught on Video: I dont care about the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    You're rendering the 10th Amendment completely meaningless. So you really believe that the 10th is nothing but a vehicle to grant power to the national government that was never intended to be granted to the national government?
    That would be exactly how the commerce clause has been abused, so why not the 10th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    As citizens we are required to purchase a good/service or we face sanction by the government. Is that not a condition of citizenship?
    There are plenty of circumstances like that already. Give me a break.

    ETA: And since "sanction" will never result in loss of citizenship, no, it is not a condition of citizenship.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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