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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Henry Waxman does not like them dissenting against the health care bill. Did you miss that one?
    Oh my god! He "doesn't like" it. Clearly he's going to line them up and shoot them. He's not going to ask them for their opinion in a hearing and focus all kinds of media attention on their complaints.

    When being invited to air your complaints at a public hearing is "oppression" you know people are going absolutely insane.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Okay, the woman is an idiot. This is a pathetic political publicity stunt and nothing more.

    If you actually gave a damn about the story and wanted to talk about that you'd have left the over the top, opinion based rhetoric out of it. If you wanted to have an honest conversation about the fact you view the woman as a traitor or terrorist supporter you wouldn't have had to hide it under the guise of a thread talking about her attempt to arrest Karl Rove.

    That said, Redress is right, the over the top rhetoric and recasting situations into the light you want doesn't help your case, it weakens it. Before the typical peanut gallery joins in going "OMG, that damn faux conservative Zyphlin, always taking the side of liberals", this is the exact same argument I made recently in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh threads, so get over yourself before you even try it.

    Also, its ridiculous to assume she'd be "in irons" by now if Bush was still in office. If she wasn't there previously there'd be no reason to think she would be now.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not quite sure what you would charge either Rove or Cheney with, though I do find the image amusing.
    The trick is to accuse them of one thing, valid or not, and when they lie about it, nail them for lying. Kinda like we did Clinton.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That said, Redress is right, the over the top rhetoric and recasting situations into the light you want doesn't help your case, it weakens it. Before the typical peanut gallery joins in going "OMG, that damn faux conservative Zyphlin, always taking the side of liberals", this is the exact same argument I made recently in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh threads, so get over yourself before you even try it.
    It's sad that people think that "taking the side of liberals" makes you not conservative, as if everything is about ideology.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The trick is to accuse them of one thing, valid or not, and when they lie about it, nail them for lying. Kinda like we did Clinton.
    Quality work there. I found that hilarious.
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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh my god! He "doesn't like" it. Clearly he's going to line them up and shoot them. He's not going to ask them for their opinion in a hearing and focus all kinds of media attention on their complaints.

    When being invited to air your complaints at a public hearing is "oppression" you know people are going absolutely insane.
    The letter to the John Deere executive:

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/Pres...len.Letter.pdf


    The letter states that Congress is requesting each one's presence. What if the CEOs ignore this request? Can they ignore it, or is this really a veiled attempt at coercion? Last time I looked, the First Amendment allowed freedom of speech and dissent.

    Now, the First Amendment does not allow assault, something that Jodie Evans is guilty of. She put her hands on Karl Rove, and assaulted him in her attempt to handcuff him. Her actions remove freedom of speech from the equation. Get your facts straight.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, the woman is an idiot. This is a pathetic political publicity stunt and nothing more.

    If you actually gave a damn about the story and wanted to talk about that you'd have left the over the top, opinion based rhetoric out of it. If you wanted to have an honest conversation about the fact you view the woman as a traitor or terrorist supporter you wouldn't have had to hide it under the guise of a thread talking about her attempt to arrest Karl Rove.

    That said, Redress is right, the over the top rhetoric and recasting situations into the light you want doesn't help your case, it weakens it. Before the typical peanut gallery joins in going "OMG, that damn faux conservative Zyphlin, always taking the side of liberals", this is the exact same argument I made recently in Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh threads, so get over yourself before you even try it.

    Also, its ridiculous to assume she'd be "in irons" by now if Bush was still in office. If she wasn't there previously there'd be no reason to think she would be now.
    The floor is open. Let's hear what you have to say about the topic. Personal insults are allowed, but do they contribute to the debate?
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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's sad that people think that "taking the side of liberals" makes you not conservative, as if everything is about ideology.
    That would depend on whether one is here to baffle us with his BS, or here for honest debate.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    That would depend on whether one is here to baffle us with his BS, or here for honest debate.
    You start a thread with slanted, biased, propaganda verbage and expect honest debate?

    I think you're more hoping for a flame-war. Just my two cents.

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    Re: Traitor Accosts Karl Rove at Book Signing

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    The floor is open. Let's hear what you have to say about the topic. Personal insults are allowed, but do they contribute to the debate?
    First, there are no personal insults.

    Second, I was addressing the topic. YOUR use of idiotic over the top rhetoric was in the topic, and the subject. Your accusations of her being a terrorist supporter or a traitor is as much the topic as her actions against Rove, because you CHOSE to use those words rather than focus on the story. Which was entirely my point.

    The womans an idiot, and the action she took was attrocious. Its sad there are people who have to use over the top rhetoric and inflame things all the time when talking about situations like this because it takes away from what the woman did. Why? Because the story has been cached in such a way that if you just focus on condemning her then you look like you're condonining the looniness of the opinions someone is holding as if they're fact.

    If you had posted the story and said that this stupid, a publicity stunt, she should be ashamed of herself, and even added an aside like you weren't surprised of it coming from her, you'd haev a number of liberals that would've been on this thread saying "Yeah, that was rather dumb" and leaving it at that.

    But instead you have to throw traitor in the subject, you throw terrorist supporter around, and suddenly they can't agree with you without pointing out the parts they DON'T agree with. Its no ones fault but your own, and your own dishonest attempt to either falsely present one topic while baiting people into an other or ignorantly letting your rhetoric overtake your desire for an actual conversation...which one it is, I'm unsure.

    Opinion is not fact. If you insert opinion into something that is talking about a factual event don't expect people to simply comment on the event and not your opinion. If you just want to talk about the event and your opinion on that alone then there was no reason for the "traitor" and "terrorist sympathizer" rhetoric.

    Your own attempt to do what she was doing, sensatioanlizing and acting like a drama queen in presentation, has actually caused less people to agree with your views of her on THIS situation because they're too busy dealing with the fallacies they view of your opinions.

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