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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    We had plenty of troops hit Omaha beach. 6,400 casualties that day.
    So you don't believe the Generals in the field should know the troop level needed but a mental midget like Hussein Obama does?

    Never heard of a president not giving the Generals in the fiewld the troops they need until now.........
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So you don't believe the Generals in the field should know the troop level needed but a mental midget like Hussein Obama does?

    Never heard of a president not giving the Generals in the fiewld the troops they need until now.........
    I was under the impression that the current Afghan surge was using the numbers requested by the top general. If he needs more, he'll get them.

    Look back into history for a moment. Which party's Presidents always upscale the wars?
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I was under the impression that the current Afghan surge was using the numbers requested by the top general. If he needs more, he'll get them.

    Look back into history for a moment. Which party's Presidents always upscale the wars?
    Yes it is now but it took your boy Obama 3 months of Begging by the General to get Obama to make the decision to send the troops.......That has never happened in any war we have been in......

    I don't know who upscaled them but lets just see who was prez when the war started or was upscaled.....

    WW2: FDR Democrat

    Korean War: Truman Democrat

    Viet Nam: JFK/LBJ Democrat

    Gulf War: Bush 1 if you actually want to call that a war

    Iraq war: Bush 2

    Afghanistan: Bush 2 escalted by Obama

    Now lets talk about losses

    WW2: millions lost

    Korean: over 100,000

    Vietnam: 58,000

    Iraq and Afghanistan 5,000

    So we lost more men in the Vietnam war then the gulf war, Iraq and Afghanistan combined

    Kind of shoots holes in your theory..........
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yes it is now but it took your boy Obama 3 months of Begging by the General to get Obama to make the decision to send the troops.......That has never happened in any war we have been in......

    I don't know who upscaled them but lets just see who was prez when the war started or was upscaled.....

    WW2: FDR Democrat

    Korean War: Truman Democrat

    Viet Nam: Eisenhower/JFK/LBJ/Nixon Democrat/Republican

    Gulf War: Bush 1 if you actually want to call that a war

    Iraq war: Bush 2

    Afghanistan: Bush 2 escalted (sic) by Obama

    Now lets talk about losses

    WW2: millions lost(416,00) us

    Korean: over 100,000 (36,516)

    Vietnam: 58,000

    Iraq and Afghanistan (4,296) 5,000 (914)

    So we lost more men in the Vietnam war then the gulf war, Iraq and Afghanistan combined

    Kind of shoots holes in your theory..........
    Once again General McCrystal's plans never called for troops before April which is this month. All the begging in the world wouldn't have changed anything. So in this war means only under Obama, because you weren't complaining when General Kiernan was calling for more troops for years out of Bush and was ignored.

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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yes, we all know the GOP and the big companies that bought them off are unhappy about the healthcare bill. It means they cannot rape the public any longer. I know this annoys various forms of big business scum.

    It's high time business got a taste of its own medicine.
    you consider 55% of the American people "scum"?

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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Once again General McCrystal's plans never called for troops before April which is this month. All the begging in the world wouldn't have changed anything. So in this war means only under Obama, because you weren't complaining when General Kiernan was calling for more troops for years out of Bush and was ignored.
    A link please...........

    Petraeus was the man and as soon as he twisted the arms of the dem senate he got his troops.............
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    So you don't believe the Generals in the field should know the troop level needed but a mental midget like Hussein Obama does?

    Never heard of a president not giving the Generals in the fiewld the troops they need until now.........
    ....obviously you have never heard of Donald Rumsfield (not president, but had his charter...) Given we made the goofy decision to prosecute that war, it should have been done with sufficient troops. Generals were fired over that one. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/wa...2shinseki.html)

    Bush did not give the generals what they needed and wanted in Afghanistan, largely because he was busy with Iraq.

    BTW.

    Point 1: Our armies are commanded by civilians. Its the way our system works. Generals are the subordinates of those civilians. In any business, the subordinate does not always get exactly what he asks for, as sometimes that subordinate asks for more than he needs. The good boss knows when and when not to "trim the fat"

    Point 2: The mission the general had was to give Obama options of what could be done with different troop commitment levels. Obama weighted strategic options. To my knowledge, there was never a specific request for a specific number of troops..... that was something created by the media.

    Point 3: The war was in its 8th year, during most of this time, it operated without much in the way of strategic direction. Three months, or whatever, was expedience compared to its historic MO.
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Only 55% and that coming from the rights favourite polling institute (for the most part)? Tsk, they could have padded the numbers better if you ask me.

    In a week or two the numbers will be very different, and in a month or two even more different.. and I dont expect it to go up, but down.
    Can you prove that they padded the numbers? Put up or shutup.
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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ....obviously you have never heard of Donald Rumsfield (not president, but had his charter...) Given we made the goofy decision to prosecute that war, it should have been done with sufficient troops. Generals were fired over that one. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/wa...2shinseki.html)

    Bush did not give the generals what they needed and wanted in Afghanistan, largely because he was busy with Iraq.

    BTW.

    Point 1: Our armies are commanded by civilians. Its the way our system works. Generals are the subordinates of those civilians. In any business, the subordinate does not always get exactly what he asks for, as sometimes that subordinate asks for more than he needs. The good boss knows when and when not to "trim the fat"

    Point 2: The mission the general had was to give Obama options of what could be done with different troop commitment levels. Obama weighted strategic options. To my knowledge, there was never a specific request for a specific number of troops..... that was something created by the media.

    Point 3: The war was in its 8th year, during most of this time, it operated without much in the way of strategic direction. Three months, or whatever, was expedience compared to its historic MO.
    That is because Afghanistan should be the major responsibility of NATO, not the U.S.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is because Afghanistan should be the major responsibility of NATO, not the U.S.
    Didn't start out that way. And the deterioration of Afghanistan started long before the switch to NATO.

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