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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

You are arguing about credibility when you put "......" between every sentence?

You just made the argument several times about people getting hit on by gays and you have argued that gays bunking with straights is the exact same as men bunking with women, despite the fact that attractions can only go one way with the former but it can go both ways with the latter.

Clearly, you are not comfortable working with gays. It is transparent to anyone reading this thread. I don't know what lies you tell yourself but you aren't going to lie to us when you make arguments over and over again which demonstrates your homophobia.

Thank God its only clear to far out "feel good liberals" like you who are clueless about what happens in the military especially aboard a navy combatant and how important unit cohesion and morale are especially in a time of war...........

You lefties try and make this thread about me instead of the subject of the thread but all of the people on the right or so wise to that dumb ploy..Now if you want to bring something creditable to the table I will respond but if you just keep spewing the same old left wing talking points I won't respond........
 
Maybe you should stop stereotyping gays then, right?

You might also think about the fact that what it was like when you were in, is not how it is now. Things have changed, NP. Now days, a lot more of the sailors/soldiers/Marines are a lot more accepting of homosexuality than they were in your day. From my experience in the Navy, it is a lot more likely that a heterosexual sailor would just say no to a homosexual sailor who mistakenly hit on him/her, than to turn them in for being gay. Now, I never actually saw or even heard of a homosexual sailor even asking a heterosexual sailor for a date, although my husband said he was hit on while on his boat, and just set the guys that did it straight by telling them he was straight. No fuss, no muss. All the guys I saw or heard about who were "hitting" on other guys, were straight guys doing it just to mess with the guys they knew were uncomfortable with homosexuals.

And, I'm sorry but the only time I've even heard about some guy in the Navy forcing another guy into sex was the story told to us by the SAVI training lady about the heterosexual guys who couldn't stand their LPO, so they drugged him and raped him. Like most rapes it was about the power and/or humiliation, not the actual sex or sexuality of the rapists or the victim. You can cling to your stories from your experience back when in the Navy if you wish, to use as proof that homosexuals will somehow be more likely to do something with a shipmate, but I know that it wasn't my experience and things have changed a lot since you were in.

I don't stereotype gays.........There is a stereotype of them out there long before you and I were born.......I have had guys work for me who had a lot of feminine traits and I treated them just like any other sailor........The only time I took action is when they acted out those feminine traits...........

The E4 I mentioned was not forced to do anything.........It was done because he wanted it..................
 
As I have said many times the military has one reason for existing......that is to fight our wars and protect us....It is not there to see how it will react to social experimentation......If the men that are serving say keep DADT then they should be listened to....If liberals want to do social experimentation do it somewhere else.......Cohesion and morale are to important to ignore...You can destroy your military by ignoring it...........

What about the men that are serving that say to get rid of DADT?

Or are they just not important because they disagree with you?
 
As I have said many times the military has one reason for existing......that is to fight our wars and protect us....It is not there to see how it will react to social experimentation......If the men that are serving say keep DADT then they should be listened to....If liberals want to do social experimentation do it somewhere else.......Cohesion and morale are to important to ignore...You can destroy your military by ignoring it...........

It is also not there to be a ploy to be used by the radical religious right to promote their anti-gay social agenda.
 
What about the men that are serving that say to get rid of DADT?

Or are they just not important because they disagree with you?

If the majority of the men in the Navy say they don't have a problem with it then so be it...........I talk to a lot of guys on active duty and retired and from what they tell me I don't think that is going to happen......
 
It is also not there to be a ploy to be used by the radical religious right to promote their anti-gay social agenda.

Straights are not the ones pushing this thing.......Its the left that is trying to push this, just like gay marriage or gays going to the prom.......Straights are not pushing anything...
 
Straights are not the ones pushing this thing.......Its the left that is trying to push this, just like gay marriage or gays going to the prom.......Straights are not pushing anything...

The world evolves Navy....things change. It is the radical right-wing who are trying to prevent the inevitable move toward equality and tolerance.
They want to use to military as a tool to continue their anti-gay social agenda....because once the military goes, gay marriage is just around the corner.

Yes, Navy....change is a scary thing to those who want to hold on to their old bigoted views.
 
I don't stereotype gays.........There is a stereotype of them out there long before you and I were born.......I have had guys work for me who had a lot of feminine traits and I treated them just like any other sailor........The only time I took action is when they acted out those feminine traits...........

The E4 I mentioned was not forced to do anything.........It was done because he wanted it..................

First, you just stereotyped gays with your reference to men who have feminine traits. A man who has feminine traits is not necessarily gay, that is a stereotype. In fact, many male cross-dressers are actually heterosexual. And not all gay guys have feminine traits either. One of the guys I mentioned earlier was somewhat feminine, although it wasn't obvious to me at first, but as for the other guy, most people had no clue he was attracted to guys at all (he was bisexual).

Also, you said just a few post back that you didn't know a single gay guy put out that wasn't due to him making unwanted sexual advances. Guess what? You just admitted to knowing two. A mutual relationship is not an unwanted sexual advance.
 
Thank God its only clear to far out "feel good liberals" like you who are clueless about what happens in the military especially aboard a navy combatant and how important unit cohesion and morale are especially in a time of war...........

You lefties try and make this thread about me instead of the subject of the thread but all of the people on the right or so wise to that dumb ploy..Now if you want to bring something creditable to the table I will respond but if you just keep spewing the same old left wing talking points I won't respond........

Hey look, Navy calling names again, and being wrong. I was in the Navy, at sea during war. I know that allowing gays to serve openly won't effect morale or unit cohesion.
 
Straights are not the ones pushing this thing.......Its the left that is trying to push this, just like gay marriage or gays going to the prom.......Straights are not pushing anything...

The entire left wing is gay now? :doh
 
Straights are not the ones pushing this thing.......Its the left that is trying to push this, just like gay marriage or gays going to the prom.......Straights are not pushing anything...

Except for all the strait people pushing this. There are several in this thread alone. I know this is a lost cause Navy, but you want to actually offer some evidence for your claim?
 
Seventy-five percent of Americans in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll said gay people who are open about their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the U.S. military, up from 62 percent in early 2001 and 44 percent in 1993.

Majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents alike now believe it is acceptable for openly gay people to serve in the U.S. armed forces.

Acceptance of Gay People in Military Grows Dramatically - washingtonpost.com
 
Okay, as long as you promise to answer mine too.
You gotta have a promise first, or are you going to just answer? Damn! This isn't about allowing gays into the military, this is about separate living arrangements, like men and women have. If gays and straight can share living quarter, then men and women can too.
 
You gotta have a promise first, or are you going to just answer? Damn! This isn't about allowing gays into the military, this is about separate living arrangements, like men and women have. If gays and straight can share living quarter, then men and women can too.

Okay then.

So if women can serve in the military, so can gays. If it requires separate living quarters, so be it.
 
You gotta have a promise first, or are you going to just answer? Damn! This isn't about allowing gays into the military, this is about separate living arrangements, like men and women have. If gays and straight can share living quarter, then men and women can too.

Why is this so hard for people...gay men are not women, gay women are not men. It's a false comparison.
 
I was in the Navy, at sea during war. I know that allowing gays to serve openly won't effect morale or unit cohesion.

A little absurd to claim gays serving openly will not effect moral when you have not experience it.

I think men dressed in drag may hurt morale.
 
I think men dressed in drag may hurt morale.

Last time I checked, Navy men on duty didn't dress in anything but uniforms.
 
A little absurd to claim gays serving openly will not effect moral when you have not experience it.

I think men dressed in drag may hurt morale.

You have never done a Wog day I take it...

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Seriously, do you expect a lot of men dressing in drag due to allowing gays to serve openly? Do you understand the difference between being gay, and being a transvestite?
 
A little absurd to claim gays serving openly will not effect moral when you have not experience it.

I think men dressed in drag may hurt morale.

How would that be an issue? Don't military folks have to wear uniforms anyway?
 
Last time I checked, Navy men on duty didn't dress in anything but uniforms.

Only born a man but I am gay and in navy of course I can wear the dress uniform.Anything else would be discrimination
 
How would that be an issue? Don't military folks have to wear uniforms anyway?

You people make these arguments and do not know they have Dresses and or
skirts . Unreal
 

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You people make these arguments and do not know they have Dresses and or
skirts . Unreal

Please don't even insult us by asking us to explain how idiotic this argument is.
 
You have never done a Wog day I take it...
Seriously, do you expect a lot of men dressing in drag due to allowing gays to serve openly? Do you understand the difference between being gay, and being a transvestite?

Good point. That would be a stereotype to 'mesh' both together as one. It would absurd to think gay men would be allowed (or want to) wear female dress uniforms.
 
You people make these arguments and do not know they have Dresses and or
skirts . Unreal

This is satire, true? You actually are making fun of how totally retarded some of the anti-gays in the military arguments are, am I right? If so, great job, I been laughing my ass off at your posts.
 
You people make these arguments and do not know they have Dresses and or
skirts . Unreal

If the uniforms are hurting morale, they should change the uniforms.
 
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