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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

They don't live openly is the point.........

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I've already made my arguments on the issue, but this about sums it up in the most brief explanation.

Navy Pride - I doubt very many people who have not been in the military will understand why the military is not a good place to 'sexualize'. They just won't get it. Not because they're stupid, but because they simply cannot understand what type of machine the military is and why it's best to not start labeling people by their sexuality preference.

The military doesn't care if you're gay. Like Navy Pride said, "They don't live openly is the point........."
 
Like I have said many times...What liberals don't understand is the military is not there to be a social experiment....They tried it with the boy scouts and parents revolted so now they are trying with our military.......listen my left wing friends, don't **** with the military........They are there to protect you and win your wars.......You can screw with high school proms and gay marriage but leave the military alone.........
 
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I've already made my arguments on the issue, but this about sums it up in the most brief explanation.

Navy Pride - I doubt very many people who have not been in the military will understand why the military is not a good place to 'sexualize'. They just won't get it. Not because they're stupid, but because they simply cannot understand what type of machine the military is and why it's best to not start labeling people by their sexuality preference.

The military doesn't care if you're gay. Like Navy Pride said, "They don't live openly is the point........."

I don't even think this is about "living openly". I think its more about still being able to live a life separate from the military, like straight people do, without fear of that private life jeopardizing your enlistment or commission if someone were to just find out through whatever means.

You guys act like this is about changing the military and it's not. It's about citizens that serve being able to do so without fear that they are going to get fired for having the same private life as their straight counterparts.
 
There is not much privacy as it is but the left wants to take the little bit there is away.........Our men deserve to have their privacy......They don't want to have to think the man or the woman next to them is checking them out.........
 
There is not much privacy as it is but the left wants to take the little bit there is away.........

So wait...who's privacy is being taken away? Sorry if I don't see that because from where I am sitting, privacy is being restored...to gays already serving with honor.

Our men deserve to have their privacy......They don't want to have to think the man or the woman next to them is checking them out.........

So now we're right back to "teh gays are eye ****ing me again cuz I'm so luscious they can't help themselves"?

Do you know how gay that comes across in and of itself?

It's happened in other countries already and they aren't falling apart. I am tired of watching us act like the last hold out against coming into this century. Chief, it's ok. The gays are not going to burn Rome to the ground.
 
So wait...who's privacy is being taken away? Sorry if I don't see that because from where I am sitting, privacy is being restored...to gays already serving with honor.



So now we're right back to "teh gays are eye ****ing me again cuz I'm so luscious they can't help themselves"?

Do you know how gay that comes across in and of itself?

It's happened in other countries already and they aren't falling apart. I am tired of watching us act like the last hold out against coming into this century. Chief, it's ok. The gays are not going to burn Rome to the ground.


Listen you had your say now how about staying out of my posts.........you don't even know me.........I am just glad the gay guys I know are not like you.......
 
Listen you had your say now how about staying out of my posts.........

Ohhh, are we getting testy in our old age? Look, mr...I give you a wide lattitude and have for a long time just because I figure you are a good person and we agree on so much more than we disagree. But you have mouthed off repeatedly in ways I find objectionable and now I am going to have my say whether you like it or not.

you don't even know me.........

No, I don't. And for that reason, I have zero interest in biting my tongue anymore. Hi Navy...I don't think we've ever met before. Nice to meet you.

I am just glad the gay guys I know are not like you.......

Let me come back with words you just said...you don't even know me. So let's move away from discussions of each other and back to the topic...why you are dead wrong about repealing DADT.
 
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I don't even think this is about "living openly". I think its more about still being able to live a life separate from the military, like straight people do, without fear of that private life jeopardizing your enlistment or commission if someone were to just find out through whatever means.

You guys act like this is about changing the military and it's not. It's about citizens that serve being able to do so without fear that they are going to get fired for having the same private life as their straight counterparts.

The Marine Corps won't allow a mixed-gender boot camp, so what makes you think it's OK for gays to openly serve? If gay men can openly serve in the Marines, would this mean that straight men must shower and sleep with gay men when the situation calls for it? I can tell you right now I have no personal issues with men who are gay. But I can tell you I would have a huge problem with being forced to shower or sleep with openly gay men, not because I think they would try and make some move on me (don't be silly), but because it would make me uncomfortable. Would you force female Marines to shower with a bunch male Marines, too? Probably not. It would probably make the females and males uncomfortable.

You have no idea how uncomfortable it would make so many Marines if gay's were allowed to openly serve with them. Is it really worth risking military effectiveness in order to allow gay's to openly serve? No, not in my opinion.
 
The Marine Corps won't allow a mixed-gender boot camp, so what makes you think it's OK for gays to openly serve?

Wait...why would anyone's sexuality come out in boot camp? What possible reason could anyone have to declare their sexuality among peers they don't know and have to share those quarters with?

If gay men can openly serve in the Marines, would this mean that straight men must shower and sleep with gay men when the situation calls for it?

They're already doing it. Trust me, I know. :shrug:

I can tell you right now I have no personal issues with men who are gay. But I can tell you I would have a huge problem with being forced to shower or sleep with openly gay men, not because I think they would try and make some move on me (don't be silly), but because it would make me uncomfortable.

I don't see how that can make you any more uncomfortable than sleeping and showering with a bunch of guys and knowing that one of them is likely gay but not knowing which one or ones. Better the devil you know than the one you don't...

Would you force female Marines to shower with a bunch male Marines, too? Probably not. It would probably make the females and males uncomfortable.

I don't know what situation would warrant it except some worst case Starship Troopers scenario. Let's not deflect to issues we don't have to solve in trying to solve the one in front of us.

You have no idea how uncomfortable it would make so many Marines if gay's were allowed to openly serve with them. Is it really worth risking military effectiveness in order to allow gay's to openly serve? No, not in my opinion.

I think timing of the order is key. Certainly not to be done while we are at war anywhere in the world. And not to take effect in troops that are stationed in high risk zones...it should be a very well planned cycle.
 
Like I have said many times...What liberals don't understand is the military is not there to be a social experiment....They tried it with the boy scouts and parents revolted so now they are trying with our military.......listen my left wing friends, don't **** with the military........They are there to protect you and win your wars.......You can screw with high school proms and gay marriage but leave the military alone.........

Gays and Lesbians were allowed to serve in the military up until 1982 (DoD Directive 1332) so who is really doing the anti-freedom social experiments? You, my right wing friend. ;)
 
Gays and Lesbians were allowed to serve in the military up until 1982 (DoD Directive 1332) so who is really doing the anti-freedom social experiments? You, my right wing friend. ;)

When I joined the Navy I had to sign a statement that I was not a homosexual and had never participated in any homosexual activities....That is the instrument they used to discharge gay men who made unwanted sexual advances along with the UCMJ........

Try again........
 
Like I have said many times...What liberals don't understand is the military is not there to be a social experiment....They tried it with the boy scouts and parents revolted so now they are trying with our military.......listen my left wing friends, don't **** with the military........They are there to protect you and win your wars.......You can screw with high school proms and gay marriage but leave the military alone.........

And what I have said a number of times is when are you going to back up your claims Navy? The gay a day discharges...got any sources to that claim? Us liberals hate the military...can you source that? Are you going to offer any substance?
 
When I joined the Navy I had to sign a statement that I was not a homosexual and had never participated in any homosexual activities....That is the instrument they used to discharge gay men who made unwanted sexual advances along with the UCMJ........

Try again........

What war did you serve in?
 
Great input my left wing friend Not.........

I certainly feel safe knowing the military that is meant to protect me is filled with people like yourself. I can certainly sleep well tonight knowing that the security of this country rests in the hands of men who find something to fear in the prospect of getting hit on by other men.
 
All I can say is THANK GOD that the mindset of some on this board is dying off with them. The younger generation is much more tolerant and accepting of other people. The younger generation doesn't have the same bigoted mindset that says that everyone should live by their views.
Thankfully, this country is moving towards a more loving, understanding and accepting culture. The close minded ways of the past are dying out....slowly but surely.
 
I don't see how that can make you any more uncomfortable than sleeping and showering with a bunch of guys and knowing that one of them is likely gay but not knowing which one or ones. Better the devil you know than the one you don't...

I know you cannot see how it can make people uncomfortable, and I also know that I probably won't be able to change your opinion on the issue.

Look, I've already said I don't care about whether or not someone is gay. I care that they keep it to themselves while serving in the military, especially when the focus isn't on their sexual preference... it's suppose to be on the mission. So what's the agenda here? Why would it matter to gays if they can already serve but just cannot be open about being gay? The military doesn't actively search for gays who are serving; like it says, "don't ask, don't tell." It's a two-way street.

To answer your question more specifically ...yes, it would make me more uncomfortable if I knew I was showering and sleeping with gay men rather than consider the off-hand chance that maybe someone I'm showering or sleeping with is gay but not openly.
 
I know you cannot see how it can make people uncomfortable, and I also know that I probably won't be able to change your opinion on the issue.

Look, I've already said I don't care about whether or not someone is gay. I care that they keep it to themselves while serving in the military, especially when the focus isn't on their sexual preference... it's suppose to be on the mission. So what's the agenda here? Why would it matter to gays if they can already serve but just cannot be open about being gay? The military doesn't actively search for gays who are serving; like it says, "don't ask, don't tell." It's a two-way street.

To answer your question more specifically ...yes, it would make me more uncomfortable if I knew I was showering and sleeping with gay men rather than consider the off-hand chance that maybe someone I'm showering or sleeping with is gay but not openly.

Ignorance is bliss?
 
I certainly feel safe knowing the military that is meant to protect me is filled with people like yourself. I can certainly sleep well tonight knowing that the security of this country rests in the hands of men who find something to fear in the prospect of getting hit on by other men.

Well we have taken pretty good care of you so far..... and its not fear...

Its amazing that left wingers like you can be so opinated on something that does not affect you......I wonder if you would feel so righteous if it affected you......
 
Well we have taken pretty good care of you so far..... and its not fear...

Its amazing that left wingers like you can be so opinated on something that does not affect you......I wonder if you would feel so righteous if it affected you......

Kinda like you and abortion and gay marriage, right navy?
 
Navy please answer my question, I just would like to ask which war you served in.
 
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