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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

jallman said:
Yeah it kinda does because, while I am your stereotypical horndog on my own time, like most every man, I understand that there's a boundary when on someone else's dime.
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And I think most guys are like that.........Unfortunately a few spoil it for the rest..........
 
Navy Pride said:
and you were monitoring this thread otherwise your name would not appear..........
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I wouldn't exactly call it monitoring. I'd call it not logging out because it is not that big of a deal.
 
liblady said:
please.......look in the mirror, if you can stand to.
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More great input about the thread.......Why don't you quit while your only losing by a little bit................:rofl
 
Navy Pride said:
I'll tell you what.........I will go along with you on this issue on one condition......Gays and straights can sleep and live together but so can men and women.......After all you say they should be able to control themselves when they are showering and undressing..........


That would solve the whole problem, and I might even re enlist.....;)
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I have told you before Navy, that I personally don't have a problem with this (I can't say the same for my husband though, especially if I were still active). I have changed in the same area as men that I served with, as I've also told you before, and it really wasn't a big deal. Those guys were certainly able to control themselves.

I can however, see major issues with coed military living spaces, on a practical level. Reasonably speaking, this will never happen. First, who do you think a military wife is more threatened by, a female soldier/sailor/Marine or a gay soldier/sailor/Marine? Ditto for the military husbands. Spouses have at least some influence over military policy, and there is very little chance that military spouses will accept the military putting men and women together quietly. Second, there is a big difference in women and gay men (since most of this worry is actually the thought of gay men serving openly, not really so much for the gay women). It's pretty obvious how a man is different than a woman, not always so openly obvious as how a gay man is different than a straight man. DADT being repealed and the rules against gays going away won't actually force gay men or women to admit they are gay. And fewer of them are going to actually admit to being gay if it means being ostracized to a separate berthing because of it, most likely. So exactly are you going to force someone to openly admit they are gay? Do you really think the military is going to spend extra money on investigating someone's sexuality just to be able to put them in a separate berthing?
 
Navy Pride said:
Why do you lefties always attack the messenger where you have had your ass kicked in a debate? I will never understand that.......Now go kill a baby.......
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Seriously, NP... Do you not see the profound irony in this post?
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah right with 4 kids and a family........
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Which has what to do with being a closeted lesbian? Does being a lesbian somehow make someone incapable of conceiving?
 
Navy Pride said:
The situation is identical.....Gay men are attracted to men.....lesbians are attracted to women.......straight men and women are attracted to one another.........At least you tried to resppnd, I give you credit for that........Your left wing buddies are silent.........


You tell me the difference...............
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Okay, I'll try to break it down for you.

You only need to separate them when they are attracted to each other.

Men are separated from women because they are attracted to each other.

Gay men and straight men are not attracted to each other, gay men may be attracted to straight men, but straight men are not attracted to gay men, so they don't need to be separated.

Gay men are attracted to each other so they need to be separated.

Gay women and straight women are not attracted to each other, gay women may be attracted to straight women, but straight women are not attracted to gay women, so they don't need to be separated.

Does that help you understand? Your comparison is not identical because the people who would likely be sharing bunkhouses are not attracted to each other, only one party may be attracted to the other.

What you need to explain for the argument to be valid, is why having one party who could be attracted to the other party is grounds for them not bunking together. The only argument you can come up with is that gay men may make unwanted sexual advances toward straight men, and the reality is that is unprofessional and would be handled in exactly the same way that any unprofessional behavior would be handled in the military.
 
CriticalThought said:
Okay, I'll try to break it down for you.

You only need to separate them when they are attracted to each other.

Men are separated from women because they are attracted to each other.

Gay men and straight men are not attracted to each other, gay men may be attracted to straight men, but straight men are not attracted to gay men, so they don't need to be separated.

Gay men are attracted to each other so they need to be separated.

Gay women and straight women are not attracted to each other, gay women may be attracted to straight women, but straight women are not attracted to gay women, so they don't need to be separated.

Does that help you understand? Your comparison is not identical because the people who would likely be sharing bunkhouses are not attracted to each other, only one party may be attracted to the other.

What you need to explain for the argument to be valid, is why having one party who could be attracted to the other party is grounds for them not bunking together. The only argument you can come up with is that gay men may make unwanted sexual advances toward straight men, and the reality is that is unprofessional and would be handled in exactly the same way that any unprofessional behavior would be handled in the military.
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I get a kick out of how many straight men feel threatened by the idea of gay men because they are worried that they will be hit on or whatever. Seriously, they shouldn't flatter themselves. It's not that simple. Few things are.
 
Gay women and straight women are not attracted to each other, gay women may be attracted to straight women, but straight women are not attracted to gay women, so they don't need to be separated.
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You mean porn has been lying to me? Dude, why you gotta bust my bubble like that?
 
Gipper said:
You mean porn has been lying to me? Dude, why you gotta bust my bubble like that?
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Ah sorry, I'll give you some good news. Most women don't like giant penises. :mrgreen:
 
Don't forget the straight women attracted to gay men. Though gay men are not attracted to them....
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah right with 4 kids and a family........
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Look at Larry Craig. He has been pretending to be straight for about the same amount of time. Raising children,....etc.

Are you going to say that he just decided he was gay when he finally comes out?
 
Panache said:
So then it would make more sense to lift DADT and let gays serve openly. Then when they make advances, their CO can just give them a reprimand like they would if a guy hit on a girl, and all that needless time and effort spent discharging them could be saved.

Right?
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Actually it's best not to have homosexual males around at all, given their demographic issues; the U.S. military has a large enough population base to pick from that they don't need to pander to such a small, insignificant group, either politically or for manpower reasons.

Fortunately, homosexuality is on the way back to the mental disorder list, given the latest research results, so it's only matter of time before stating the obvious becomes 'legal' again.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Picaro I told you..they attack the messenger...........sad nothing to add to the debate........
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Of course they have to attack the messenger; they can't come up with actual reasons for spending so much effort on such a simple issue. So far it just amounts to BS about 'homophobia' and 'hate' and of course the always popular whipping post, on any number of issues, 'The Old People'.
 
So NP is still spouting off that liberals all hate the military, that gays are discharged every day for harassing strait people, and some woman changed from strait to gay, all without proof or even any documented evidence? I swear, he does more good for us liberals than we do.
 
Picaro said:
Actually it's best not to have homosexual males around at all, given their demographic issues; the U.S. military has a large enough population base to pick from that they don't need to pander to such a small, insignificant group, either politically or for manpower reasons.
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Except that thoroughly investigating every member of the military to determine their orientation would be prohibitively expensive. As you have already said, a great deal of time, effort and resources is already needlessly wasted on these discharges.

The obvious solution is to not waste time discharging people for being gay. If they hit on some dude, the CO gives them a slap on the risk and assigns them some unpleasant duty. No needless waste of time and resources there.

Fortunately, homosexuality is on the way back to the mental disorder list, given the latest research results, so it's only matter of time before stating the obvious becomes 'legal' again.
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On which planet? Gays are gaining headway. Homophobes are losing ground.
 
Picaro said:
Fortunately, homosexuality is on the way back to the mental disorder list, given the latest research results, so it's only matter of time before stating the obvious becomes 'legal' again.
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It's never been illegal to spout one's stupidity, no matter how ignorant an uninformed it is. You may cry foul over homosexuality not being on a list of disorders all you want just as I may point at you and laugh at the absurdity of anyone in this day and age believing such a thing.
 
Picaro said:
Fortunately, homosexuality is on the way back to the mental disorder list, given the latest research results, so it's only matter of time before stating the obvious becomes 'legal' again.
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Which latest research results would those be?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Seriously, NP... Do you not see the profound irony in this post?
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Liberal girl has made about 10 posts and not one of them have addressed the subject of the thread.......Its actually against the rules of DP to do that...
 
roguenuke said:
I have told you before Navy, that I personally don't have a problem with this (I can't say the same for my husband though, especially if I were still active). I have changed in the same area as men that I served with, as I've also told you before, and it really wasn't a big deal. Those guys were certainly able to control themselves.

I can however, see major issues with coed military living spaces, on a practical level. Reasonably speaking, this will never happen. First, who do you think a military wife is more threatened by, a female soldier/sailor/Marine or a gay soldier/sailor/Marine? Ditto for the military husbands. Spouses have at least some influence over military policy, and there is very little chance that military spouses will accept the military putting men and women together quietly. Second, there is a big difference in women and gay men (since most of this worry is actually the thought of gay men serving openly, not really so much for the gay women). It's pretty obvious how a man is different than a woman, not always so openly obvious as how a gay man is different than a straight man. DADT being repealed and the rules against gays going away won't actually force gay men or women to admit they are gay. And fewer of them are going to actually admit to being gay if it means being ostracized to a separate berthing because of it, most likely. So exactly are you going to force someone to openly admit they are gay? Do you really think the military is going to spend extra money on investigating someone's sexuality just to be able to put them in a separate berthing?
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I am sorry but changing with someone and showering and sleeping close to them is 2 different things......I have seen women change clothes on tthe beach in Nice France and you could see nothing no matter how hard you tried..................

Soundss like your hubby is a wise man....you should listen to him........Oh and thank you both for your service........


We use to have a saying.....A wife does not come with a full seabag........If they don't like the way the navy does things that is their problem....


Of course the Navy is never going to do what I said but if you think about it then it is the perfect solution......
 
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akyron said:
Are there co-ed barracks these days? How novel.
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When I was in the Navy stationed at Pearl the enlisted barrack had 3 floor......the women slept on the top floor and the men on the second floor with only a fireman fire watch between them........You would never believe how much those stairs were used at night......a female 3rd class yeoman started selling it until she got caught and had to go to mass.........She got busted to seaman and fined a hundred dollars.......On the way out of the court room she said...."Hell no problem I can make that up in one night."
 
Navy Pride said:
Liberal girl has made about 10 posts and not one of them have addressed the subject of the thread.......Its actually against the rules of DP to do that...
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And you constantly go off on rants about how evil liberals are and label anyone who disagrees with you as a liberal. Just saying...
 
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