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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

Prove that there are gays being discharged every day for making unwanted sexual advances or violating the UCMJ, Navy. I dare ya. In fact, I dare you to prove that gays average a discharge once a month for making unwanted advances.

Most gays are discharged for either a) they turned themselves in as being gay and signed all the paperwork necessary to get out, or b) someone found out that they were gay because of some mutual relationship between them and a member of the same sex, military or civilian, and turned them in. I knew several people who got administratively discharged for being gay while I was in the Navy, not one of those was because they made an unwanted sexual advance.

Of course, they are violating the UCMJ by just being in a homosexual, intimate relationship. That is why when I say we need to repeal DADT, I include the caveat, to change the laws against homosexuality.


Believe as you like but I was on 1 ship for 4 years prior to DADT and in that time we had about 10 guys discharged for making advance...That is 1 ship, at the time under Reagan the Navy had 600 active ships.........That does not count shore stations or the other services......you do the math......15,000 have been discharged since 1993..........I don't know what the breakdown is....Its true there were a lot who said they were gay just to get out but you better believe a lot of them were for their actions to......
 
Nothing like a high level, intelligent debate... :lol: ;)

I suppose you like this kind of debate because this is what she said to me.......I know its hard for you lefties but at least try to be a little inpartial

yes, right. you really don't have a clue, do you?
 
Believe as you like but I was on 1 ship for 4 years prior to DADT and in that time we had about 10 guys discharged for making advance...That is 1 ship, at the time under Reagan the Navy had 600 active ships.........you do the math......

And I was on 1 ship, of 3000 w/o air wing, where no one aboard got discharged for making unwelcome advances on someone of the same sex in almost 5 years that I was aboard. I did witness "unwanted sexual advances", sort of, that involved members of the same sex, however, most of it was the heterosexual guys in my division messing with some of the guys who were overly worried about being "hit on by dudes". And one of the girls in my division did mention, while we were hanging out in berthing one day, that her grandmother had warned her when she joined the Navy that it was full of lesbians (paraphrased). Seems that most of the worry over being hit on by someone of the same sex seems to come from the older generation. My generation doesn't mind it nearly as much, and in fact, tends to make more fun of those who do worry about such advances than they do of those who would make such advances.
 
I predicted this would come. Answer me this, then why don't they house the women with the straight men?



Yeah if there is no difference as you lefties say and you can house gays with straights why not house men and women together............Undressing, showering, and sleeping together?

Great point my friend..........:applaud
 
And I was on 1 ship, of 3000 w/o air wing, where no one aboard got discharged for making unwelcome advances on someone of the same sex in almost 5 years that I was aboard. I did witness "unwanted sexual advances", sort of, that involved members of the same sex, however, most of it was the heterosexual guys in my division messing with some of the guys who were overly worried about being "hit on by dudes". And one of the girls in my division did mention, while we were hanging out in berthing one day, that her grandmother had warned her when she joined the Navy that it was full of lesbians (paraphrased). Seems that most of the worry over being hit on by someone of the same sex seems to come from the older generation. My generation doesn't mind it nearly as much, and in fact, tends to make more fun of those who do worry about such advances than they do of those who would make such advances.

I'll tell you what.........I will go along with you on this issue on one condition......Gays and straights can sleep and live together but so can men and women.......After all you say they should be able to control themselves when they are showering and undressing..........


That would solve the whole problem, and I might even re enlist.....;)
 
Why don't the exclude the women altogether instead? THAT is the question you need to answer.

Why? It seems like an irrelevant question. Marine officer dude didn't say gays shouldn't serve, he said that they shouldn't share housing.
 
I notice that women in DP strongly favor lifting DADT....I personally believe there is a reason for this.........Women have to deal with Lesbians sex which for some reason is not frowned on like like gay sex .........

Maybe we could house Lesbians and gay men together......You sure as hell would not have to worry about any problems that way.........
 
Believe as you like but I was on 1 ship for 4 years prior to DADT and in that time we had about 10 guys discharged for making advance...That is 1 ship, at the time under Reagan the Navy had 600 active ships.........That does not count shore stations or the other services......you do the math......15,000 have been discharged since 1993..........I don't know what the breakdown is....Its true there were a lot who said they were gay just to get out but you better believe a lot of them were for their actions to......

My brother retired a bird Colonel last year, after getting his 28 years in the Army, and he spent his last 6 years as an MCJ investigator, hearing court cases, and he said the same things as you have here re homosexual males in the military, and that these cases consume a lot of time and effort needlessly, just to pander to political nonsense by airheads who have no idea what they're talking about.
 
My brother retired a bird Colonel last year, after getting his 28 years in the Army, and he spent his last 6 years as an MCJ investigator, hearing court cases, and he said the same things as you have here re homosexual males in the military, and that these cases consume a lot of time and effort needlessly, just to pander to political nonsense by airheads who have no idea what they're talking about.

You got that right and the time and money to process these people for discharge is outrageous.........
 
It's this simple. Our military is saying that it doesn't have the professionalism of the average college freshman, let alone that of all the countries that do allow gays to serve openly. If that is the statement that the military and NP want to make, then let them. They only embarrass themselves by doing so.
 
My brother retired a bird Colonel last year, after getting his 28 years in the Army, and he spent his last 6 years as an MCJ investigator, hearing court cases, and he said the same things as you have here re homosexual males in the military, and that these cases consume a lot of time and effort needlessly, just to pander to political nonsense by airheads who have no idea what they're talking about.

So then it would make more sense to lift DADT and let gays serve openly. Then when they make advances, their CO can just give them a reprimand like they would if a guy hit on a girl, and all that needless time and effort spent discharging them could be saved.

Right?
 
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It's this simple. Our military is saying that it doesn't have the professionalism of the average college freshman, let alone that of all the countries that do allow gays to serve openly. If that is the statement that the military and NP want to make, then let them. They only embarrass themselves by doing so.

You did not respond to my question.......If gays and straights are housed together why not men and women? After all gays and straights are attracted to one another and so are men and women............can you tell me the difference?
 
It's this simple. Our military is saying that it doesn't have the professionalism of the average college freshman, let alone that of all the countries that do allow gays to serve openly. If that is the statement that the military and NP want to make, then let them. They only embarrass themselves by doing so.

Name some of these countries for us, so we can compare theirs with ours.

What is simple is that there is no real reason to pander to homosexual political agendas, at any level. If other countries want to waste their time and money, fine. Somehow I doubt they're very busy with anything important anyway ...
 
Why are not the Liberals responding now? Where are they hiding? Come on respond to my scenario..........

Gays and lesbians housed together and men and women housed to gether......
 
You did not respond to my question.......If gays and straights are housed together why not men and women? After all gays and straights are attracted to one another and so are men and women............can you tell me the difference?

Well, it's a given the 'pro's' aren't ever going to address anything directly, because they can't, hence all the blathering about 'homophobia' and other nonsense constructs, including the Age-ist smear from some idiot, I forget which post.
 
Why are not the Liberals responding now? Where are they hiding? Come on respond to my scenario..........

Gays and lesbians housed together and men and women housed to gether......

Fine by me. I have had female roommates and gay roommates, and neither was a problem. Much ado about nothing IMHO.
 
The silence is deafening from our left wing friends........;)
 
Why do you lefties always attack the messenger where you have had your ass kicked in a debate? I will never understand that.......Now go kill a baby.......
uncalled for. you don't debate, navy. just because you've served and are old doesn't mean you have a right to act the way you do. you behave like a bigoted, nasty, homophobic old man.
 
Well, it's a given the 'pro's' aren't ever going to address anything directly, because they can't, hence all the blathering about 'homophobia' and other nonsense constructs, including the Age-ist smear from some idiot, I forget which post.

I see roguenuke, winston, and lib lady all looking at this thread but no response from them.........In a minute one will respond and fire a few personal attacks........sad..........
 
I suppose you like this kind of debate because this is what she said to me.......I know its hard for you lefties but at least try to be a little inpartial
what i said to you is true.....you don't have a clue about sexuality or sexual orientation. many gay people marry people of the opposite sex to fit in, or to try to repress their natural tendencies. a member of my family did just that.

so, no, you don't have a clue.
 
Why are not the Liberals responding now? Where are they hiding? Come on respond to my scenario..........

Gays and lesbians housed together and men and women housed to gether......

do you really think a gay couple would have sex in a rom full of straight men?
 
uncalled for. you don't debate, navy. just because you've served and are old doesn't mean you have a right to act the way you do. you behave like a bigoted, nasty, homophobic old man.

Picaro I told you..they attack the messenger...........sad nothing to add to the debate........
 
I see roguenuke, winston, and lib lady all looking at this thread but no response from them.........In a minute one will respond and fire a few personal attacks........sad..........

For me there is more to life than the internet and you. Secondly I think you acting childish and that is why I did not respond initially.
 
do you really think a gay couple would have sex in a rom full of straight men?

I don't know, you tell me...I know I have seen a gay man make advances to a straight man in a berthing compartment with 100 men........I was a witness at his court martial.........
 
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