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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    There comes a point where straight people are just gonna have to get over it. I mean come on!
    Easy for you to say............
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    Easy for you to say............
    It is pretty easy once you realize that it's the only choice you have.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    There comes a point where straight people are just gonna have to get over it. I mean come on!
    It's funny how you can substitute a few words and get exactly the same debate over race from 50 or so years ago. Watch:

    There comes a point where white people are just gonna have to get over it. I mean come on!

    I have yet to see an argument against gays in the military that wasn't used against blacks in the military, or women.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You don't know what is going to happen.............I don't either..............We both have and opinion........You side with the gays......I side with the straights...I can honestly tell you I would not to serve with gays openly and I know many guys that feel like me...........

    Your right I am a conservative and I always want to cut spending and taxes......That said I also want to do what is eight for my shipmates...I truly believe in my heart of hearts that if this unwanted act is pushed at them then they should be allowed to resign and be compensated for it........especially the guys who have reenlisted and had planned to make the Navy a career.......Since this is Obama's and the lefts Idea (DADT) they better figure out how to pay for it................

    The guys that joined in the future would know what they have to face.......I think recruiting would be really tough and you would probably have to institute a draft.........
    I know this is going to happen for two reasons NP. I was a nuke. I know nukes. First, even in school, we had nukes who would sign the paperwork saying they were gay just to get out. After my class lost 5 people in two or three weeks to this, our class Master Chief told us that the next person who came to his office to sign paperwork saying he was gay (all the ones who had signed the paperwork were male), would have to call their mother right there in front of the Master Chief and tell her that they were gay and that is why they were getting out of the Navy. After that, no one else signed the paperwork. Second, I had a conversation with one of the nukes in my division that amounted to him trying to figure out ways that he could get out of the Navy before his contract was up, but still be able to keep his honorable discharge. He was severely stressed out, and just wanted to be out of the Navy. We had openly gay men in our department. No one cared. But I guarantee you that if you even just offered personnel a chance to get out before their contract was up, without compensation, you would have plenty of people, especially nukes, that would take the offer while not actually having any problem serving with gays. And with compensation, you would be lucky if we had enough personnel left to operate half of our ships. I bet you would even have a lot of homosexual personnel taking the offer.

    Also, this offer wasn't even talked about when men had to start serving with women, so I don't know why you think that this is a good idea or some right of any of our servicemembers. We do not sign a contract that says that we will not have to serve with people we are uncomfortable with. No one signs a contract to be in the military that says current rules of the military cannot be changed while you are in the military, or you can get out and be compensated. I think you are grasping at straws here NP.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I know this is going to happen for two reasons NP. I was a nuke. I know nukes. First, even in school, we had nukes who would sign the paperwork saying they were gay just to get out. After my class lost 5 people in two or three weeks to this, our class Master Chief told us that the next person who came to his office to sign paperwork saying he was gay (all the ones who had signed the paperwork were male), would have to call their mother right there in front of the Master Chief and tell her that they were gay and that is why they were getting out of the Navy. After that, no one else signed the paperwork. Second, I had a conversation with one of the nukes in my division that amounted to him trying to figure out ways that he could get out of the Navy before his contract was up, but still be able to keep his honorable discharge. He was severely stressed out, and just wanted to be out of the Navy. We had openly gay men in our department. No one cared. But I guarantee you that if you even just offered personnel a chance to get out before their contract was up, without compensation, you would have plenty of people, especially nukes, that would take the offer while not actually having any problem serving with gays. And with compensation, you would be lucky if we had enough personnel left to operate half of our ships. I bet you would even have a lot of homosexual personnel taking the offer.

    Also, this offer wasn't even talked about when men had to start serving with women, so I don't know why you think that this is a good idea or some right of any of our servicemembers. We do not sign a contract that says that we will not have to serve with people we are uncomfortable with. No one signs a contract to be in the military that says current rules of the military cannot be changed while you are in the military, or you can get out and be compensated. I think you are grasping at straws here NP.


    As far as allowing men serving with women aboard ship I expect that was a very popular decision for the young enlisted in the Navy.......Gays serving openly is a different matter..........

    Of course Nukes would like to get out early.....They got all that free schooling and now want to go on the outside and take advantage of it......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Of course Nukes would like to get out early.....They got all that free schooling and now want to go on the outside and take advantage of it......
    I have to take exception to this. Nukes have the highest incident of suicide, drop out, and mental crises out of all the A schools. It's because they have the most strenuous and trying academic program in all the armed forces.

    It has nothing to do with taking the money and running.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    I have to take exception to this. Nukes have the highest incident of suicide, drop out, and mental crises out of all the A schools. It's because they have the most strenuous and trying academic program in all the armed forces.

    It has nothing to do with taking the money and running.
    I have never heard that the suicide rate is higher.....My only experience is there are a lot of civilian nukes here in the PSNS and many of them got their training in the Navy.............

    Do you get money if you get out now? I saw the bonus was and incentive for staying in........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have never heard that the suicide rate is higher.....My only experience is there are a lot of civilian nukes here in the PSNS and many of them got their training in the Navy.............

    Do you get money if you get out now? I saw the bonus was and incentive for staying in........
    It was when I signed on and it was a very hefty bonus. What I meant by "take the money and run" was really "take the free education and run".

    Most nukes, I think, would want to stay in and have the added experience and bonuses since the nuke program isn't a real degree. It's basically MIT's nuclear engineering program stripped of all electives and humanities.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It was when I signed on and it was a very hefty bonus. What I meant by "take the money and run" was really "take the free education and run".

    Most nukes, I think, would want to stay in and have the added experience and bonuses since the nuke program isn't a real degree. It's basically MIT's nuclear engineering program stripped of all electives and humanities.
    When I retired I worked for a detachment of NAVSEA called PERA-CV ...About 90% of the people working there were GS12 Engineers...About 60% were Nukes who got out of the Navy when they finished their obligation...A few retired from the Navy as Nukes......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It was when I signed on and it was a very hefty bonus. What I meant by "take the money and run" was really "take the free education and run".

    Most nukes, I think, would want to stay in and have the added experience and bonuses since the nuke program isn't a real degree. It's basically MIT's nuclear engineering program stripped of all electives and humanities.
    I got $28K tax free when I reenlisted and would have gotten $45K if I would have reenlisted 3 months earlier. And if I would have reenlisted again, I could have gotten close to $60K. But my chief in the reserves has said that the plant he works for near Raleigh is looking to hire, especially nukes, and the starting pay is like $80K a year, and goes up pretty quickly. And I know that other places will hire us too, because when I went to a military job fair in '08, there was this guy there for some materials manufacturer that I told I was a nuke, and he asked first if I was willing to relocate if they offered me enough money and second if I could give his card to my nuke friends. He seemed rather desperate.

    It is much more worth it for nukes to get out and work for a civilian company/plant, than it is to stay in the Navy. Which is exactly why the Navy uses such huge reenlistment bonuses to try to get any nukes they can to stay in. Which is pretty much why it would be extremely counterproductive for the military to offer a chance for people to get out, especially with compensation, just because some people may feel uncomfortable living with others.
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