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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Does it bother anyone else how an alleged conservative considers those who serve and defend our country to be little more then animals with no sense of professionalism?
    Oh come now. Until 9/11 and until it became the political fad, nobody gave a damn about the expendable animals. The end of the Cold War meant the end of the military in a lot of people's minds.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh come now. Until 9/11 and until it became the political fad, nobody gave a damn about the expendable animals. The end of the Cold War meant the end of the military in a lot of people's minds.
    I did though! I still hate what I see as the phonies, the people who ran out to buy the flag thing for their car after 9/11....
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    ......If gays don't like DADT don't join the Navy..........
    You've got to put this into persepective bro.

    When you or I and so many others think of homosexuals we think of the "Just Jack's" from Will & Grace or the never-ending examples of flambouyancy in Hollywood that gays are stereotyped as in our favorite comedies. But these are not the types that have joined the military in the past and will not be joining in the future (especially in the Corps).

    Gays serving openly is merely a matter of time. There are going to be growing pains (more than people want to see or acknowledge), but in the end the military is not going to change for the worse. Though not to be compared exactly to the period blacks were introduced into the military, we are talking about another big shift in social identity. It took decades to get the base of racism out of the ranks. It will be far easier for gays who will mostly remain to themselves and blend in just fine. We will not see men in uniform holding hands or kissing (blech). Public shows of affection while in uniform are prohibited (especially in the Marine Corps) between even a husband and a wife. This will not change. When the ban is lifted nobody (meaning the vast majority) in the military will even see it. Nobody will be asked their sexual preference by any recruiter. So the difference between DADT and "serving openly" is that the military will not have to entertain Court Martials for it anymore (which skyrocketed thanks to Clinton's retarded DADT fiasco).

    The stereotype we think of when it comes to homosexuals will go no where near a recruiting station. Not only do they not want the hassle, but they don't want the alpha male lifestyle that comes with parts of the military. Those that do, will be as average as the next guy (only with a boyfriend after hours). The percentage of gays in the military, especially for the Corps, has got to be so low that "serving openly" won't be as open as people think.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    I did though! I still hate what I see as the phonies, the people who ran out to buy the flag thing for their car after 9/11....
    You are different. You were (are) a part of the military culture.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well here is one Conservative who believes that most gays serving in the Navy are doing a good job.......I still believe that DADT should remain in effect....If gays don't like DADT don't join the Navy..........
    Okay, so you think that suddenly without the DADT that gay sailors will do a bad job?

    It is highly disturbing just how quickly you are ready to crucify soldiers the instant the dadt is removed.

    It is as if you think that removing the DADT causes them to revert to animalistic behavior.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You've got to put this into persepective bro.

    When you or I and so many others think of homosexuals we think of the "Just Jack's" from Will & Grace or the never-ending examples of flambouyancy in Hollywood that gays are stereotyped as in our favorite comedies. But these are not the types that have joined the military in the past and will not be joining in the future (especially in the Corps).

    Gays serving openly is merely a matter of time. There are going to be growing pains (more than people want to see or acknowledge), but in the end the military is not going to change for the worse. Though not to be compared exactly to the period blacks were introduced into the military, we are talking about another big shift in social identity. It took decades to get the base of racism out of the ranks. It will be far easier for gays who will mostly remain to themselves and blend in just fine. We will not see men in uniform holding hands or kissing (blech). Public shows of affection while in uniform are prohibited (especially in the Marine Corps) between even a husband and a wife. This will not change. When the ban is lifted nobody (meaning the vast majority) in the military will even see it. Nobody will be asked their sexual preference by any recruiter. So the difference between DADT and "serving openly" is that the military will not have to entertain Court Martials for it anymore (which skyrocketed thanks to Clinton's retarded DADT fiasco).

    The stereotype we think of when it comes to homosexuals will go no where near a recruiting station. Not only do they not want the hassle, but they don't want the alpha male lifestyle that comes with parts of the military. Those that do, will be as average as the next guy (only with a boyfriend after hours). The percentage of gays in the military, especially for the Corps, has got to be so low that "serving openly" won't be as open as people think.

    I don't believe enlisted in the Navy aboard ship or Marines will ever accept gays serving openly in the military and that they have rights to...If DADT is overturned then I believe their contract was violated and they should be given the opportunity to resign and paid a bonus upon their leaving......all we hear about is the rights of the gays on this issue.......You know as well as I do that the military is there for one reason and that is to fight our wars and protect us......It is not there for social experimentation......I talk to enlisted people all the time and 90% of them hate the idea of DADT being lifted.......They believe it will have a huge effect on morale and unit cohesion........

    I have personal friends in the Navy who are MCPOs and SCPOs and off the record they say this change will never work........They and the men who work for them should have the final say on this issue..Knowing you I don't think the results will surprise you........

    I agree with the Commandant of the Marine Corps my friend..........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Okay, so you think that suddenly without the DADT that gay sailors will do a bad job?

    It is highly disturbing just how quickly you are ready to crucify soldiers the instant the dadt is removed.

    It is as if you think that removing the DADT causes them to revert to animalistic behavior.

    If anyone hates the military, it's you.


    I think more about the rights of the straight people in the military my left wing friend...........I know one thing you could never hack it aboard a navy combatant.....and that is a fact.....
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think more about the rights of the straight people in the military my left wing friend...........I know one thing you could never hack it aboard a navy combatant.....and that is a fact.....
    You do always end up resorting to lame cheap shots. It's about all you ever have left.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't believe enlisted in the Navy aboard ship or Marines will ever accept gays serving openly in the military and that they have rights to...If DADT is overturned then I believe their contract was violated and they should be given the opportunity to resign and paid a bonus upon their leaving......all we hear about is the rights of the gays on this issue.......You know as well as I do that the military is there for one reason and that is to fight our wars and protect us......It is not there for social experimentation......I talk to enlisted people all the time and 90% of them hate the idea of DADT being lifted.......They believe it will have a huge effect on morale and unit cohesion........

    I have personal friends in the Navy who are MCPOs and SCPOs and off the record they say this change will never work........They and the men who work for them should have the final say on this issue..Knowing you I don't think the results will surprise you........

    I agree with the Commandant of the Marine Corps my friend..........
    Navy Pride: If you are not a vet, your opinions on gays in the military is ignorant, if you support gays serving openly. You don't know about the military. It should be up to vets and those serving.

    Vet's chime in in favor of gays serving in the military...well, they are wrong and don't count, it should be up to those actively serving.

    Some one actively serving speaks up supporting gays serving openly...UH HO...ummmmmm...well, he is not in the Navy or Marines, where it won't work.

    Cept Msgt is in the Marines. Now Navy is in real trouble
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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