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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    That's a completely different scenario. Gay men and women have been doing that sort of thing their entire lives in front of the same gender. Men and women haven't been doing that in front of each other and aren't used to it. Thankfully, just because gay people can do it doesn't mean we have to break down all barriers.

    It's the same thing. What makes gays anymore discipline than anyother human being in history? Are you pushing some kind of superiority agenda here? How tolerant is that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    Do you speak for all the WM's in the Corps? I thinking, no.
    I never said I did. That's why I used the first person.

    What should be the proper response to straight soldiers being harrassed by gay soldiers and gay soldiers being harrassed by straight soldiers, or gays harrassing gays be? Tell them they wanted to serve openly in the military, they got it, deal with it? And it's gonna happen, I don't care what fantasy land you live in that makes you believe it won't. We just had a gay congress critter step down for sexually harrassing a straight staffer for God's sake, so let's try to stick to reality rather than fantasy.
    The same response any accusations of sexual harrassment gets. It's happening now in the military, it doesn't seem to be crumbling around us yet.


    That's a cheap shot. You don't know me. But, a kid like you isn't mature and experienced enough to see the big picture. You've been brainwashed into believing that if one disagrees with you, one must certainly be a racist, or a homophobe. At no time would be capable of considering that my concerns relate more to the safety of all soldiers and the overall unit cohesion and discipline of our armed forces along with their ability to effectively operate on the battlefield, instead of giving a rat's ass about whose gay and who ain't.
    Call it an educated guess...You have no idea what today's military can deal with cause you're out of touch. But I wouldn't call you a homophobe. I'm sure you actually believe that our military will collapse if gays are allowed to serve.


    That argument was **** 15 minutes after it was contrived.
    Because...you don't like it?
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's the same thing. What makes gays anymore discipline than anyother human being in history? Are you pushing some kind of superiority agenda here? How tolerant is that?
    Well they're...in the military RIGHT NOW!!! Key in the scary music. I have never heard of any significant amount of same sex harrassment going on. I'm sure they can manage the same level of control when they are allowed to legally serve. Do you really think once they won't get kicked out the gays are going to run around groping people in the shower?
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    The same response any accusations of sexual harrassment gets. It's happening now in the military, it doesn't seem to be crumbling around us yet.
    It's the reason that males and females don't billet together.




    Call it an educated guess...You have no idea what today's military can deal with cause you're out of touch. But I wouldn't call you a homophobe. I'm sure you actually believe that our military will collapse if gays are allowed to serve.
    Yeah, my 13 years didn't teach me a damn thing. How long did you serve in uniform? Has basic human behavior changed in the past few hundred years?




    Because...you don't like it?
    No, because it regards race, not sex. You do know the difference. Yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Well they're...in the military RIGHT NOW!!! Key in the scary music.
    Another lame assed argument. If they're already serving, then why abolish DADT? Everything is cool like it. Right?





    I have never heard of any significant amount of same sex harrassment going on.
    Are you referring to gay/straight harrassment?


    I'm sure they can manage the same level of control when they are allowed to legally serve. Do you really think once they won't get kicked out the gays are going to run around groping people in the shower?
    The same level of control? You just made my argument for me. Thank you!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's the reason that males and females don't billet together.
    I'm not saying people of the same gender should billet together.

    Yeah, my 13 years didn't teach me a damn thing. How long did you serve in uniform? Has basic human behavior changed in the past few hundred years?
    If you want to play the experience game, I just asked my husband, who's been in 17 years and counting, how he feels about it. He shrugged and said it's bound to happen. Not exactly the panic you seem to be feeling is it?

    And I would say that tolerance for gays has changed a great deal just in the last decade.


    No, because it regards race, not sex. You do know the difference. Yes?
    Actually what it involves is the belief that cohesion in the military will suffer because of intolerance. Make more sense?
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm not saying people of the same gender should billet together.
    People of opposite sexual preference shouldn't share billets, either. At least, they should have an option and be forced to share billets.



    If you want to play the experience game, I just asked my husband, who's been in 17 years and counting, how he feels about it. He shrugged and said it's bound to happen. Not exactly the panic you seem to be feeling is it?
    Ask him how he's going to feel when a gay/straight soldiers files a sexual harrassment complaint and he has to take time away from more important matters to deal with it. Ask him what he's going to do when a gay/straight soldiers excercises his/her right and demands different billets.

    Better yet, how are you going to feel when your hubby becomes a casualty, because cohesion and discipline broke down in his unit? Is it going to be worth it?

    And I would say that tolerance for gays has changed a great deal just in the last decade.
    Not among alphas it hasn't. And, like it, or not, most service members are alphas.


    Actually what it involves is the belief that cohesion in the military will suffer because of intolerance. Make more sense?
    Label it however you want, but unit cohesion take priority over your political agenda.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People of opposite sexual preference shouldn't share billets, either. At least, they should have an option and be forced to share billets.
    They already do share billets and have for years. Have you noticed much of a problem?

    Ask him how he's going to feel when a gay/straight soldiers files a sexual harrassment complaint and he has to take time away from more important matters to deal with it. Ask him what he's going to do when a gay/straight soldiers excercises his/her right and demands different billets.
    He's very busy saving the galaxy right now. If you want to have a conversation with him, ask him next time he comes on. He goes by the name MSgt.

    Better yet, how are you going to feel when your hubby becomes a casualty, because cohesion and discipline broke down in his unit? Is it going to be worth it?
    Oh lord with the dramatics. If I thought it was going to happen I wouldn't support it now would I?

    Not among alphas it hasn't. And, like it, or not, most service members are alphas.
    I am well aware of that. You're assuming "alphas" have a problem with gay people just because way back in the day when you served they did. I deal with Marines on a daily basis and they have no problems with homosexuals from what I've seen.


    Label it however you want, but unit cohesion take priority over your political agenda.
    You're assuming it's an either/or but offering no evidence.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Like I said its easy to say.........Typical liberal stance........It does not affect you.....You don't have to worry about a gay guy coming on to you.......It happens....I have seen it.................
    Is this how fragile your sexuality is? Seriously this reads like a line out of Invasion of Body Snatchers.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    They already do share billets and have for years. Have you noticed much of a problem?
    In fact, I have. I had to court martial one soldier and discharge another soldier because of gay/straight sexual harrassment.



    [/quote]He's very busy saving the galaxy right now. If you want to have a conversation with him, ask him next time he comes on. He goes by the name MSgt.[/quote]

    ...I already know what he thinks of the issue. Sorry to say, it doesn't paralell what you've been saying.



    Oh lord with the dramatics. If I thought it was going to happen I wouldn't support it now would I?
    Actually, I think that since it's not your ass on the line, you fail to understand.



    You're assuming it's an either/or but offering no evidence.
    Proving something that hasn't happened yet is impossible. Time will prove me right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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