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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Personally, it affected me in that I saw a couple of good nukes put out of the Navy involuntarily for being gay, and at least one more, who signed the paperwork to get out. Now for the one who signed the paperwork, she would have required the military to accept her significant other as a spouse to stay in, but without DADT and the rules against gays, she would have at least stayed until the end of her contract. The loss of 3 nukes, even on a carrier, does affect how much watch others have to stand and reduces the overall effectiveness of the department, at least a little, especially when the 3 were some of the top scorers on our tests.

    Also, I was good friends with two of them, and the two guys were both there helping me when I had my allergic reaction while we were out with a group of others from our Nuke school class in Seattle.

    I have never seen any problems caused by the homosexuals serving with heterosexuals who know they are gay. So I feel I have very good reason to dislike this unfair policy against gays, beyond even the already good reasons to disapprove of the policy.
    I to saw good people that were gay discharged....They new the rules and the law but they made unwanted sexual advances against their shipmates...You just can't ignore that no matter how good of a sailor the person is.....

    I can honestly say I have never known anyone who was gay in the Navy unless they were caught making unwanted advances.....There were guys that were very feminine that you might think they were gay but they never made advances or broke the law.........The court-martials I saw were against guys you would never think were gay......There was a EEL gunners mate and a EEL corpsman who were caught.........the EEL was performing oral sex on the EEL.........They were both court marshaled and discharged.....The gunners mate claimed he was not gay and that he just liked what the E3 did for him........The point I am trying to make is stereotypes don't always work.....
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The military isn't there to protect the homophobic sensibilities of people like you either. Military policy isn't dictated because people like you aren't professional enough to work alongside openly gay soldiers.

    Furthermore, what the hell is a "social experiment"? It's one of those nonsense phrases that conservatives use when they are losing an argument against change. Oh we can't do that! It's a social experiment!
    You sound like a ****ing broken record.......At least some of your friends makes a little sense and present some type of and argument.........

    Everyone knows there is no problem working with someone gay.....I did it myself for 10 years and am on a golf team with a gay co worker who is gay.......We are not talking about working with someone gay...........Try and pay attention.......You just lose the little creditability you might have..........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You sound like a ****ing broken record.......At least some of your friends makes a little sense and present some type of and argument.........

    Everyone knows there is no problem working with someone gay.....I did it myself for 10 years and am on a golf team with a gay co worker who is gay.......We are not talking about working with someone gay...........Try and pay attention.......You just lose the little creditability you might have..........
    You are arguing about credibility when you put "......" between every sentence?

    You just made the argument several times about people getting hit on by gays and you have argued that gays bunking with straights is the exact same as men bunking with women, despite the fact that attractions can only go one way with the former but it can go both ways with the latter.

    Clearly, you are not comfortable working with gays. It is transparent to anyone reading this thread. I don't know what lies you tell yourself but you aren't going to lie to us when you make arguments over and over again which demonstrates your homophobia.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I to saw good people that were gay discharged....They new the rules and the law but they made unwanted sexual advances against their shipmates...You just can't ignore that no matter how good of a sailor the person is.....

    I can honestly say I have never known anyone who was gay in the Navy unless they were caught making unwanted advances.....There were guys that were very feminine that you might think they were gay but they never made advances or broke the law.........The court-martials I saw were against guys you would never think were gay......There was a EEL gunners mate and a EEL corpsman who were caught.........the EEL was performing oral sex on the EEL.........They were both court marshaled and discharged.....The gunners mate claimed he was not gay and that he just liked what the E3 did for him........The point I am trying to make is stereotypes don't always work.....
    Maybe you should stop stereotyping gays then, right?

    You might also think about the fact that what it was like when you were in, is not how it is now. Things have changed, NP. Now days, a lot more of the sailors/soldiers/Marines are a lot more accepting of homosexuality than they were in your day. From my experience in the Navy, it is a lot more likely that a heterosexual sailor would just say no to a homosexual sailor who mistakenly hit on him/her, than to turn them in for being gay. Now, I never actually saw or even heard of a homosexual sailor even asking a heterosexual sailor for a date, although my husband said he was hit on while on his boat, and just set the guys that did it straight by telling them he was straight. No fuss, no muss. All the guys I saw or heard about who were "hitting" on other guys, were straight guys doing it just to mess with the guys they knew were uncomfortable with homosexuals.

    And, I'm sorry but the only time I've even heard about some guy in the Navy forcing another guy into sex was the story told to us by the SAVI training lady about the heterosexual guys who couldn't stand their LPO, so they drugged him and raped him. Like most rapes it was about the power and/or humiliation, not the actual sex or sexuality of the rapists or the victim. You can cling to your stories from your experience back when in the Navy if you wish, to use as proof that homosexuals will somehow be more likely to do something with a shipmate, but I know that it wasn't my experience and things have changed a lot since you were in.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post

    I can honestly say I have never known anyone who was gay in the Navy unless they were caught making unwanted advances.....
    If I wanted to get out of the Navy I would tell you that I'm gay even though I'm straight. Because I know you would be running off to the CO like a kindergarten tattle tale.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are arguing about credibility when you put "......" between every sentence?

    You just made the argument several times about people getting hit on by gays and you have argued that gays bunking with straights is the exact same as men bunking with women, despite the fact that attractions can only go one way with the former but it can go both ways with the latter.

    Clearly, you are not comfortable working with gays. It is transparent to anyone reading this thread. I don't know what lies you tell yourself but you aren't going to lie to us when you make arguments over and over again which demonstrates your homophobia.
    Thank God its only clear to far out "feel good liberals" like you who are clueless about what happens in the military especially aboard a navy combatant and how important unit cohesion and morale are especially in a time of war...........

    You lefties try and make this thread about me instead of the subject of the thread but all of the people on the right or so wise to that dumb ploy..Now if you want to bring something creditable to the table I will respond but if you just keep spewing the same old left wing talking points I won't respond........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe you should stop stereotyping gays then, right?

    You might also think about the fact that what it was like when you were in, is not how it is now. Things have changed, NP. Now days, a lot more of the sailors/soldiers/Marines are a lot more accepting of homosexuality than they were in your day. From my experience in the Navy, it is a lot more likely that a heterosexual sailor would just say no to a homosexual sailor who mistakenly hit on him/her, than to turn them in for being gay. Now, I never actually saw or even heard of a homosexual sailor even asking a heterosexual sailor for a date, although my husband said he was hit on while on his boat, and just set the guys that did it straight by telling them he was straight. No fuss, no muss. All the guys I saw or heard about who were "hitting" on other guys, were straight guys doing it just to mess with the guys they knew were uncomfortable with homosexuals.

    And, I'm sorry but the only time I've even heard about some guy in the Navy forcing another guy into sex was the story told to us by the SAVI training lady about the heterosexual guys who couldn't stand their LPO, so they drugged him and raped him. Like most rapes it was about the power and/or humiliation, not the actual sex or sexuality of the rapists or the victim. You can cling to your stories from your experience back when in the Navy if you wish, to use as proof that homosexuals will somehow be more likely to do something with a shipmate, but I know that it wasn't my experience and things have changed a lot since you were in.
    I don't stereotype gays.........There is a stereotype of them out there long before you and I were born.......I have had guys work for me who had a lot of feminine traits and I treated them just like any other sailor........The only time I took action is when they acted out those feminine traits...........

    The E4 I mentioned was not forced to do anything.........It was done because he wanted it..................
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As I have said many times the military has one reason for existing......that is to fight our wars and protect us....It is not there to see how it will react to social experimentation......If the men that are serving say keep DADT then they should be listened to....If liberals want to do social experimentation do it somewhere else.......Cohesion and morale are to important to ignore...You can destroy your military by ignoring it...........
    What about the men that are serving that say to get rid of DADT?

    Or are they just not important because they disagree with you?

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As I have said many times the military has one reason for existing......that is to fight our wars and protect us....It is not there to see how it will react to social experimentation......If the men that are serving say keep DADT then they should be listened to....If liberals want to do social experimentation do it somewhere else.......Cohesion and morale are to important to ignore...You can destroy your military by ignoring it...........
    It is also not there to be a ploy to be used by the radical religious right to promote their anti-gay social agenda.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What about the men that are serving that say to get rid of DADT?

    Or are they just not important because they disagree with you?
    If the majority of the men in the Navy say they don't have a problem with it then so be it...........I talk to a lot of guys on active duty and retired and from what they tell me I don't think that is going to happen......
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