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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    You're definitely right on that point, which is what makes the conversation so difficult. On the one hand, if someone is gay they should not be punished for it. On the other hand, how can the military effectively allow gays without it disrupting the overall system? It's honestly one of the most difficult minor problems to solve. Maybe if the military made it so it wasn't a punishable thing, but to not be publicly vocal about it... which would make it a more professional environment. But the problem with that solution is that the military isn't like the same type of professional environment as, say, a corporate job. There's a lot of foul mouthed, closed minded Marines who are also very keen at picking out people who are different than themselves. That's why I always say in the military it's best not to differentiate yourself, because it can harm the mission and there are a lot of people who lack respect, even if they don't mean to be disrespectful (if that makes any sense at all).
    The military has gays now, and has had since even before I served. I knew 2 gays when I served, and this was before DADT. There are an estimated 1 million gay veterans in the US(I can look that up if you want, I found the stat looking stuff up for another such thread). Gays are in the military, and somehow, it has not fallen apart. Furthermore, looking at other countries that have allowed gays to serve openly shows that it largely is a non-issue. The leading factor in unit cohesion and morale is still the quality of the chain of command, by a large amount(this comment courtesy of the Rand study on gays in the military, again, can provide links if needed). I know of no country that has allowed gays to serve, and had any loss in effectiveness.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The military has gays now, and has had since even before I served. I knew 2 gays when I served, and this was before DADT. There are an estimated 1 million gay veterans in the US(I can look that up if you want, I found the stat looking stuff up for another such thread). Gays are in the military, and somehow, it has not fallen apart. Furthermore, looking at other countries that have allowed gays to serve openly shows that it largely is a non-issue. The leading factor in unit cohesion and morale is still the quality of the chain of command, by a large amount(this comment courtesy of the Rand study on gays in the military, again, can provide links if needed). I know of no country that has allowed gays to serve, and had any loss in effectiveness.
    Exactly. Is it because the system worked, and maybe "don't ask, don't tell" is a good policy?

    That's the solution I was sort of referencing, and your response goes to show exactly the point I was trying to make. Don't ask, don't tell is a policy that has worked, so why remove it?

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well we have taken pretty good care of you so far..... and its not fear...

    Its amazing that left wingers like you can be so opinated on something that does not affect you......I wonder if you would feel so righteous if it affected you......
    Funny how I just explained how it affected me, but you are so dense that you couldn't read between the lines. I am a taxpayer. I am helping pay for this military. This military is responsible for my security. I do not feel secure with a military filled with homophobes. I want the best military. One that is filled with professionals who care more about completing the mission than whether the dude next to them is checking out their ass.

    Now stop this bull**** of, "Oh it doesn't affect you." I pay for it and it exists to protect me. If it isn't affecting me, then why the **** do we even have a military? It better be affecting me. If it isn't, then it isn't doing its job.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Exactly. Is it because the system worked, and maybe "don't ask, don't tell" is a good policy?

    That's the solution I was sort of referencing, and your response goes to show exactly the point I was trying to make. Don't ask, don't tell is a policy that has worked, so why remove it?
    Because it puts an unfair burden on gays serving. We should be supportive of people who want to, and are qualified, to serve our country. Being gay and in the military right now is not a nice situation. You can get discharged for something as minor as holding hands with some one of the same sex in a mall(true story, it has happened). Get drunk with the people you work with and say the wrong thing, goodbye career.

    Further, there is no evidence that DADT is better policy than allowing gays to serve openly, and evidence of the reverse. I believe gays are still better educated than the average, and some are in pretty important jobs, and can loose that job to triviality. We want people to want to serve their country, we do not want to drive off those who can serve the country admirably and well.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Funny how I just explained how it affected me, but you are so dense that you couldn't read between the lines. I am a taxpayer. I am helping pay for this military. This military is responsible for my security. I do not feel secure with a military filled with homophobes. I want the best military. One that is filled with professionals who care more about completing the mission than whether the dude next to them is checking out their ass.

    Now stop this bull**** of, "Oh it doesn't affect you." I pay for it and it exists to protect me. If it isn't affecting me, then why the **** do we even have a military? It better be affecting me. If it isn't, then it isn't doing its job.
    Another left winger that hates our military....sad...........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Another left winger that hates our military....sad...........
    I don't hate our military. I just simply want my money's worth from the military. I figure that America deserves a professional military, not one filled with homophobic pansies.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Another left winger that hates our military....sad...........
    Another example of Navy calling names instead of debating.......sad.......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Because it puts an unfair burden on gays serving. We should be supportive of people who want to, and are qualified, to serve our country. Being gay and in the military right now is not a nice situation. You can get discharged for something as minor as holding hands with some one of the same sex in a mall(true story, it has happened). Get drunk with the people you work with and say the wrong thing, goodbye career.

    Further, there is no evidence that DADT is better policy than allowing gays to serve openly, and evidence of the reverse. I believe gays are still better educated than the average, and some are in pretty important jobs, and can loose that job to triviality. We want people to want to serve their country, we do not want to drive off those who can serve the country admirably and well.
    Better educated than the average? What the heck does being gay or straight have to do with ones level of education? That's just silly.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Better educated than the average? What the heck does being gay or straight have to do with ones level of education? That's just silly.
    I am not 100 % sure if it is true these days any more, but it used to be. The reality is that the stat probably came from educated people being more likely to come out of the closet.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't hate our military. I just simply want my money's worth from the military. I figure that America deserves a professional military, not one filled with homophobic pansies.
    Again I say I wonder if DADT actually affected you would you be so righteous and uppity......Its so easy to take your position on the issue.........

    Don't worry we have the best military in the world and they will follow orders given to them.
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