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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't see how that can make you any more uncomfortable than sleeping and showering with a bunch of guys and knowing that one of them is likely gay but not knowing which one or ones. Better the devil you know than the one you don't...
    I know you cannot see how it can make people uncomfortable, and I also know that I probably won't be able to change your opinion on the issue.

    Look, I've already said I don't care about whether or not someone is gay. I care that they keep it to themselves while serving in the military, especially when the focus isn't on their sexual preference... it's suppose to be on the mission. So what's the agenda here? Why would it matter to gays if they can already serve but just cannot be open about being gay? The military doesn't actively search for gays who are serving; like it says, "don't ask, don't tell." It's a two-way street.

    To answer your question more specifically ...yes, it would make me more uncomfortable if I knew I was showering and sleeping with gay men rather than consider the off-hand chance that maybe someone I'm showering or sleeping with is gay but not openly.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    I know you cannot see how it can make people uncomfortable, and I also know that I probably won't be able to change your opinion on the issue.

    Look, I've already said I don't care about whether or not someone is gay. I care that they keep it to themselves while serving in the military, especially when the focus isn't on their sexual preference... it's suppose to be on the mission. So what's the agenda here? Why would it matter to gays if they can already serve but just cannot be open about being gay? The military doesn't actively search for gays who are serving; like it says, "don't ask, don't tell." It's a two-way street.

    To answer your question more specifically ...yes, it would make me more uncomfortable if I knew I was showering and sleeping with gay men rather than consider the off-hand chance that maybe someone I'm showering or sleeping with is gay but not openly.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    I certainly feel safe knowing the military that is meant to protect me is filled with people like yourself. I can certainly sleep well tonight knowing that the security of this country rests in the hands of men who find something to fear in the prospect of getting hit on by other men.
    Well we have taken pretty good care of you so far..... and its not fear...

    Its amazing that left wingers like you can be so opinated on something that does not affect you......I wonder if you would feel so righteous if it affected you......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well we have taken pretty good care of you so far..... and its not fear...

    Its amazing that left wingers like you can be so opinated on something that does not affect you......I wonder if you would feel so righteous if it affected you......
    Kinda like you and abortion and gay marriage, right navy?
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Navy please answer my question, I just would like to ask which war you served in.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    I know you cannot see how it can make people uncomfortable, and I also know that I probably won't be able to change your opinion on the issue.
    No, I can see how there might be some initial discomfort but I don't see how it could be a lingering thing that impedes one's ability to remain professional. That's all.

    Look, I've already said I don't care about whether or not someone is gay. I care that they keep it to themselves while serving in the military, especially when the focus isn't on their sexual preference... it's suppose to be on the mission. So what's the agenda here? Why would it matter to gays if they can already serve but just cannot be open about being gay? The military doesn't actively search for gays who are serving; like it says, "don't ask, don't tell." It's a two-way street.
    It isn't that simple. It's not about being "open". It's about eliminating the risk involved with just being oneself. I don't think I'll be able to get you to understand that either, having never been asked to do so.

    To answer your question more specifically ...yes, it would make me more uncomfortable if I knew I was showering and sleeping with gay men rather than consider the off-hand chance that maybe someone I'm showering or sleeping with is gay but not openly.
    OK, fair enough.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ignorance is bliss?
    Very rarely would I say it, but in this case, to be honest, I'm at first inclined to say yes. Why? Because I wouldn't gain anything productive if I turned that "ignorance" into knowing... it would only cause more issues than solutions.

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Very rarely would I say it, but in this case, to be honest, I'm at first inclined to say yes. Why? Because I wouldn't gain anything productive if I turned that "ignorance" into knowing... it would only cause more issues than solutions.
    I disagree. I don't believe that denial and lack of education are ever a good thing. It is much better to have as much information as possible. It allows you to make much better and informed decisions. Ignorance and denial gnerally achieve little other than a false sense of security.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

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    No, I can see how there might be some initial discomfort but I don't see how it could be a lingering thing that impedes one's ability to remain professional. That's all.



    It isn't that simple. It's not about being "open". It's about eliminating the risk involved with just being oneself. I don't think I'll be able to get you to understand that either, having never been asked to do so.
    You're definitely right on that point, which is what makes the conversation so difficult. On the one hand, if someone is gay they should not be punished for it. On the other hand, how can the military effectively allow gays without it disrupting the overall system? It's honestly one of the most difficult minor problems to solve. Maybe if the military made it so it wasn't a punishable thing, but to not be publicly vocal about it... which would make it a more professional environment. But the problem with that solution is that the military isn't like the same type of professional environment as, say, a corporate job. There's a lot of foul mouthed, closed minded Marines who are also very keen at picking out people who are different than themselves. That's why I always say in the military it's best not to differentiate yourself, because it can harm the mission and there are a lot of people who lack respect, even if they don't mean to be disrespectful (if that makes any sense at all).

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I disagree. I don't believe that denial and lack of education are ever a good thing. It is much better to have as much information as possible. It allows you to make much better and informed decisions. Ignorance and denial gnerally achieve little other than a false sense of security.
    Let's say you're a Captain in the Marine Corps, and say a enlisted Marine comes up to you and says, "I'm gay. There you have it, you are no longer ignorant on this truth." What have the two people solved? What type of decisions can you make, Captain, that you wouldn't have been able to do before being informed of something you were previously ignorant about?

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