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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You know the answer to that...There are but there are also gays being discharged every day for making unwanted sexual advances or violating the UCMJ........That is a fact.......
    Prove that there are gays being discharged every day for making unwanted sexual advances or violating the UCMJ, Navy. I dare ya. In fact, I dare you to prove that gays average a discharge once a month for making unwanted advances.

    Most gays are discharged for either a) they turned themselves in as being gay and signed all the paperwork necessary to get out, or b) someone found out that they were gay because of some mutual relationship between them and a member of the same sex, military or civilian, and turned them in. I knew several people who got administratively discharged for being gay while I was in the Navy, not one of those was because they made an unwanted sexual advance.

    Of course, they are violating the UCMJ by just being in a homosexual, intimate relationship. That is why when I say we need to repeal DADT, I include the caveat, to change the laws against homosexuality.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If I were stationed on a ship with 300 women and at sea for 90 day dressing, showering, and sleeping with them I doubt if I could control myself..........

    That is how it is for gays when they are on a ship with 300 men......I don't even blame them..........I would be a hypocrite if I did........
    First of all, Navy, be honest. You do not actually share a berthing with 300 men. The largest berthing on a carrier only fits about 100 men or so. Most are smaller. Second, you have separate shower stalls on the ship. It is not open bay showering like boot camp. Each person has his own shower to be in, with walls and a curtain.

    And when you are talking about smaller, barracks rooms, as this Marine officer does, they might be two to a room, unless you are talking about boot camp, or possibly training, when they aren't in a combat zone. I know the barracks at K-Bay were two man rooms, with their own head. So why exactly would it be necessary to build whole new barracks, when only one person may be uncomfortable with their roommate being gay?

    As I've asked before, what would be necessary proof that someone is gay, and should be moved to the separate barracks? A service member will not be required to divulge their sexuality, so if they don't, what would be the point of building an entire barracks for gay personnel, if you only have 1 or 2 that do tell?
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Military members are required to have an HIV test at least once every 2 years. Many commands, at least in the Navy, will do one every year when the sailor comes in for his/her annual checkup. There currently are known HIV positive sailors serving on active duty. They are allowed to stay in the Navy, but they cannot serve overseas. (We were told in Hawaii, that there were 2-3 HIV positive sailors working there, but we were not allowed to know who they were, or their sexuality.) Also, the military has annual training on STDs, including HIV/AIDS, and prevention methods to spreading STDs. In fact, just a couple of years ago, some STD questions were on the Chief's exam.
    I'm well aware of all that. I'm also aware the stats aren't distinguishing between homosexual males' rates of STD infection compared to straight males' infection rates, but the evidence shows that homosexual males do indeed have far higher rates, and unless you have some evidence that homosexual males magically change as a demographic just because they sign up for the military, we can assume the same patterns persist until proven otherwise.

    Somebody else posted about the military's 'higher rates of STD's than the general population'; my post was in response to that one. I've seen no evidence that the military as whole has higher STD rates than homosexual males in the general population.

    Anybody who has evidence to the contrary should feel free to post it, or cite a text.
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Any tickle fights on ships nowadays?

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Or she was a closeted lesbian for 40-50 years.
    Yeah right with 4 kids and a family........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yeah right with 4 kids and a family........
    yes, right. you really don't have a clue, do you?

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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, Navy, be honest. You do not actually share a berthing with 300 men. The largest berthing on a carrier only fits about 100 men or so. Most are smaller. Second, you have separate shower stalls on the ship. It is not open bay showering like boot camp. Each person has his own shower to be in, with walls and a curtain.

    And when you are talking about smaller, barracks rooms, as this Marine officer does, they might be two to a room, unless you are talking about boot camp, or possibly training, when they aren't in a combat zone. I know the barracks at K-Bay were two man rooms, with their own head. So why exactly would it be necessary to build whole new barracks, when only one person may be uncomfortable with their roommate being gay?

    As I've asked before, what would be necessary proof that someone is gay, and should be moved to the separate barracks? A service member will not be required to divulge their sexuality, so if they don't, what would be the point of building an entire barracks for gay personnel, if you only have 1 or 2 that do tell?


    The person gay would have to say so..........Isn't that what they want anyhow? to serve openly......That might work for the other services but not the Navy and yes I have lived in a berthing compartment about as big as a large living room with about 100 men where the rack you sleep in are inches apart and have seen gays making advances to straights in those conditions, actually was a witness at a court martial of one...........
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, right. you really don't have a clue, do you?
    Why do you lefties always attack the messenger where you have had your ass kicked in a debate? I will never understand that.......Now go kill a baby.......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Prove that there are gays being discharged every day for making unwanted sexual advances or violating the UCMJ, Navy. I dare ya. In fact, I dare you to prove that gays average a discharge once a month for making unwanted advances.

    Most gays are discharged for either a) they turned themselves in as being gay and signed all the paperwork necessary to get out, or b) someone found out that they were gay because of some mutual relationship between them and a member of the same sex, military or civilian, and turned them in. I knew several people who got administratively discharged for being gay while I was in the Navy, not one of those was because they made an unwanted sexual advance.

    Of course, they are violating the UCMJ by just being in a homosexual, intimate relationship. That is why when I say we need to repeal DADT, I include the caveat, to change the laws against homosexuality.
    Believe as you like but I was on 1 ship for 4 years prior to DADT and in that time we had about 10 guys discharged for making advance...That is 1 ship, at the time under Reagan the Navy had 600 active ships.........you do the math......
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    Re: Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Why do you lefties always attack the messenger where you have had your ass kicked in a debate? I will never understand that.......Now go kill a baby.......
    Nothing like a high level, intelligent debate...

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