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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

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    It's un-American.

    “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.” — President John Adams¹
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Which has what to do with anything here?
    The point was, you said the founding fathers had to take up arms, and, I offered a quote by President John Adams that said, he took up arms so that his sons need not. The revolution is over. We won. There is no need to take up arms.

    Indeed if you do take up arms, you are taking them up against your fellow countrymen, and you are betraying precisely the nation our founding fathers were fighting to establish. Is that what you want? I sincerely hope not.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Check it out. It's history of politics in SE Louisiana. Makes a few mean phone calls look tame by comparison.
    Nice! Yeah we do have a colorful history.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not saying they are warranted, but American's have been threatening and killing our politicians since colonial times. I need your logic then behind it being unamerican, not trying to be a jerk about it, just curious.
    I know you are not trying to be a jerk. Guess what else? I think this is the first time we really disagree on something. Here is the way I see it:

    America has progressed in fits and starts, sometimes falling back a bit, but always moving forward towards its ideals. Yes, there was a time when politicians were tarred and feathered without a trial. There were also times that blacks were lynched for trying to vote. None of it is good, but we continue to advance towards what we would consider to be "ideal America", where what we practice is what we preach in our Constitution and our laws.

    No, we are not perfect, and never will be, but as long as we strive towards our goals, we are a great nation. That being said, yes, I understand that frustration can lead one to wax nostalgic for a better time, when politicians were ridden out on a rail, after being tarred and feathered. But it was a slippery slope from the tar and feathering of local politicians to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. You can't condemn the great, without also condemning the small. For if you accept the small, then the likelihood of the great occurring is greater, because law has broken down, and greater things become slightly ever so more acceptable. Where do you draw the line? You can't.

    Yes, crap will still happen, and I doubt that we saw the last assassination with John Kennedy, or the last attempted assassination with Ronald Reagan, but any Democracy MUST condemn actions, both the small and the great, which seek to do violence. If America is to remain the great nation that it is, then its citizens (That's us) must uphold the values which are "American" in nature, and condemn those which aren't. One such value is the rule of law.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point was, you said the founding fathers had to take up arms, and, I offered a quote by President John Adams that said, he took up arms so that his sons need not. The revolution is over. We won. There is no need to take up arms.

    Indeed if you do take up arms, you are taking them up against your fellow countrymen, and you are betraying precisely the nation our founding fathers were fighting to establish. Is that what you want? I sincerely hope not.
    Okay that makes sense, I kind of had a feeling that's the point you were making but wanted to be clear. Jefferson had a bit more pessimistic view of things, but overall they all wanted us to benefit from their actions.

    Here's where I'll play devil's advocate. If we took up arms against our fellow citizens it would mean that most people feel that the concept of our country is slipping away and more than likely certain citizens would be very specific targets. I join every sane American that hopes against hope that it never comes to that but that doesn't negate the history of the revolution. Is it unamerican to draw against our own citizens, in most cases yes, but if things ever got to the point of tyranny it has been conceded by the founders that what must be done must be done. So, take my opinion with a grain of salt, but treating politicians like **** employees and sometimes as enemies is part of our history.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know you are not trying to be a jerk. Guess what else? I think this is the first time we really disagree on something. Here is the way I see it:

    America has progressed in fits and starts, sometimes falling back a bit, but always moving forward towards its ideals. Yes, there was a time when politicians were tarred and feathered without a trial. There were also times that blacks were lynched for trying to vote. None of it is good, but we continue to advance towards what we would consider to be "ideal America", where what we practice is what we preach in our Constitution and our laws.

    No, we are not perfect, and never will be, but as long as we strive towards our goals, we are a great nation. That being said, yes, I understand that frustration can lead one to wax nostalgic for a better time, when politicians were ridden out on a rail, after being tarred and feathered. But it was a slippery slope from the tar and feathering of local politicians to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. You can't condemn the great, without also condemning the small. For if you accept the small, then the likelihood of the great occurring is greater, because law has broken down, and greater things become slightly ever so more acceptable. Where do you draw the line? You can't.

    Yes, crap will still happen, and I doubt that we saw the last assassination with John Kennedy, or the last attempted assassination with Ronald Reagan, but any Democracy MUST condemn actions, both the small and the great, which seek to do violence. If America is to remain the great nation that it is, then its citizens (That's us) must uphold the values which are "American" in nature, and condemn those which aren't. One such value is the rule of law.
    Well, this sounds good, and I would love to agree with you. I think that the rule of law has in fact begun a process of breaking down, the least stable among us are starting to crack, and unfortunately feel they have no further recourse. The current congress and administration sure aren't helping things though you have to grant me that, they are trampling anything and anyone they disagree with, and then showing surprise when crazies push back. Whether it is within our ideals or not is a perfectly fair subject, but at this time we have a severe situation and I think we'll be further tested before things settle down.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, this sounds good, and I would love to agree with you. I think that the rule of law has in fact begun a process of breaking down, the least stable among us are starting to crack, and unfortunately feel they have no further recourse. The current congress and administration sure aren't helping things though you have to grant me that, they are trampling anything and anyone they disagree with, and then showing surprise when crazies push back. Whether it is within our ideals or not is a perfectly fair subject, but at this time we have a severe situation and I think we'll be further tested before things settle down.
    They might feel they have no other recourse, but that still makes them criminals. No excuses - Period. A death threat is a death threat. They deserve serious prison time. I don't care whether it's someone on the right threatening a Democrat, or someone on the left threatening a Republican. When death threats are made, then it is time to take out the trash.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    They might feel they have no other recourse, but that still makes them criminals. No excuses - Period.
    That is true, and I agree in full.
    A death threat is a death threat. They deserve serious prison time. I don't care whether it's someone on the right threatening a Democrat, or someone on the left threatening a Republican. When death threats are made, then it is time to take out the trash.
    Also true, but with one caviotte, sometimes a death threat isn't truly a death threat but a venting mechanism, although the law certainly can't arbitrarily enforce that based on discretion, but how many times have you told someone "I'll kill you" or some derivative of that just to make a point of how angry you were. Telling a stranger that is stupid, and a crime, but I am just saying let the courts decide. Also, the one not making the threat is the most dangerous one, criminals that announce intent are just too easy.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That is true, and I agree in full. Also true, but with one caviotte, sometimes a death threat isn't truly a death threat but a venting mechanism, although the law certainly can't arbitrarily enforce that based on discretion, but how many times have you told someone "I'll kill you" or some derivative of that just to make a point of how angry you were. Telling a stranger that is stupid, and a crime, but I am just saying let the courts decide. Also, the one not making the threat is the most dangerous one, criminals that announce intent are just too easy.
    Tell that to the dumbasses who joked about having a bomb, when asked by Customs officials at the airport if they had anything to declare. LOL.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Tell that to the dumbasses who joked about having a bomb, when asked by Customs officials at the airport if they had anything to declare. LOL.
    Hey, I'm a fan of stupid people learning the hard way, you know that by now.
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    Re: Death Threats Against Al Green

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Hey, I'm a fan of stupid people learning the hard way, you know that by now.
    Cool. Let me tell you all about my DWI. LOL.
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