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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    One is a mandate to buy catastrophic coverage, the other is a mandate to buy a full prepayment medical policy that will be expensive.
    Where did this come from? I don't recall reading that anywhere. I did read that in the exchanges they would offer different levels of coverage - Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum and Catastophic. I don't remember where one was required to purchase any particular plan.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Where did this come from? I don't recall reading that anywhere. I did read that in the exchanges they would offer different levels of coverage - Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum and Catastophic. I don't remember where one was required to purchase any particular plan.
    The 1993 program that the republicans offered was for Catastrophic coverage plan.
    Similar to an HSA.
    While I still disagree with any kind of mandate, that would help bend the cost curve down.

    The bill passed now is just more of the same, you'd have to be crazy to think that would save money.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    WRONG. it was made less liberal because otherwise even Democrats wouldn't vote for it.
    Take it up with Zyphlin as well, I was agreeing with him.

    The only real compromise that's been presented is "We'll make it LESS liberal" in most cases.


    I will also agree with you in that SOME Democrats, those who are more conservative or Blue Dogs, wanted a less liberal bill. Those were the holdouts and don't represent the majority of the party.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    It was also proposed in the Healthy Americans Act (S. 334), otherwise known as the Wyden-Bennett bill after Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and his chief co-sponsor, Senator Robert Bennett (R-UT). It was co-sponsored by both Republicans and Democrats.
    There ya go. Thanks! You're posts on the subject have been very knowlegible. Well done.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Take it up with Zyphlin as well, I was agreeing with him.

    The only real compromise that's been presented is "We'll make it LESS liberal" in most cases.


    I will also agree with you in that SOME Democrats, those who are more conservative or Blue Dogs, wanted a less liberal bill. Those were the holdouts and don't represent the majority of the party.
    well thats fair enough; but nobody should pretend that republicans were ever wanted as anything but a rubber stamp. olympia snowe practically publicly begged them to put in one minor modification to let her vote yes and they told her to stick it.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    This just proves that America needs the Libertarian Party!!!!

    The blame game is soooooooo old. Look.... EITHER Party would point fingers at the other whether a bill was successful or not. All Hannity does is bash every single thing the Democrats do whether its good or bad. A Democrat can give a dying 15 year old kid a new organ so he lives and Hannity would say that the doctor who performed the operation is a gay partner of Hugo Chavez.

    The Democrats arent much better either.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Gina, I don't deny that that part had roots in some republican legislation in the past (which again, seemed to be put forward at a time they were in the minority and wrote a compromised bill representing bipartisan ideas...bipartisan not in that it was "moderated" liberalism or conservatism but actually had ideas from both sides).

    However, what GREW from those roots are two greatly different things. Other portions of the root system are entirely different as well. Like I said, at their roots golf and football both use a ball. To claim that anyone who likes one must like the other because they all use balls is foolishness.

    The mandate, while something I disagree with, is something I could stomach and could see as a necessary evil under the right circumstances that makes private sector choice a legitimate and cost effective option without a number of regulations and punative legislation that increases the likelihood of pushing people onto the public option. It appears, from a cursory view, that the 1993 bill provided for that FAR more than the current bill.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Take it up with Zyphlin as well, I was agreeing with him.

    The only real compromise that's been presented is "We'll make it LESS liberal" in most cases.


    I will also agree with you in that SOME Democrats, those who are more conservative or Blue Dogs, wanted a less liberal bill. Those were the holdouts and don't represent the majority of the party.
    Actually, you were pseudo-agreeing with me.

    I don't think it was made less liberal to appeal to the GOP. For one, they didn't NEED them. For two, they were gambling on the belief that politically it'd be more advantageous for them to pass this and play the republicans up as obsturctionists who "forced" them to give up bipartisanship rather than pass it as a joint thing.

    I think in reality the GOP was a way to build up a strawman of why they were compromising, to try and give the faux illuion that they were seeking bipartisnaship, when in reality it was the blue dogs they were courting. The democrats didn't need republicans, but they HAD to get the Blue Dogs on their side and that wasn't happening with the original bill. You can talk all you want about them being out of step with the majority of the party, but the Democrats wouldn't be in power in the first place if not for the wins by the Blue Dogs running as moderate/conservative democrats.

    The few compromises in this bill I believe were far more for the good of the Blue Dogs, not the GOP

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    But republicans didn't implement it, Democrats did.


    Wow, that's some logic right there.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post


    Wow, that's some logic right there.
    Really, what's wrong with it? I'm not holding my breath for your answer as my logic is airtight.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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