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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know who told you that, but as they put it out in 2000, which is before we are war, I'm not sure how you can make this claim. I would be interested in you providing evidence to support your claim.

    And what do you mean WHO doesn't put rankings out?

    WHO Press Releases 2000

    Press Release WHO/44
    21 June 2000


    WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
    ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS

    PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
    I said I was told but have nothing to back it up. I find 2000 numbers outdated though, don't you?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I said I was told but have nothing to back it up. I find 2000 numbers outdated though, don't you?
    Well, if you have nothing to back it up, you can't really make the claim. Surprised you believe stuff you hear without questioning it more.

    And no, 2000 is not particularly out dated. We haven't changed that much since then. In fact, we may well be worse.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, if you have nothing to back it up, you can't really make the claim. Surprised you believe stuff you hear without questioning it more.

    And no, 2000 is not particularly out dated. We haven't changed that much since then. In fact, we may well be worse.
    The question is why do you believe WHO? Every country has different accounting and reports data differently. Many of the countries have a controlled press that controls the data output. This just goes to show how naive you really are. Keep buying the rhetoric while the rest of us pay the bills.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    The question is why do you believe WHO? Every country has different accounting and reports data differently. Many of the countries have a controlled press that controls the data output. This just goes to show how naive you really are. Keep buying the rhetoric while the rest of us pay the bills.
    Because they document what they are measuring and lay out their rationale. The question is not their accuracy, but whether what they measure are the important things to measure. Access versus costs seems reasonable to me. We pay a lot for less.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because they document what they are measuring and lay out their rationale. The question is not their accuracy, but whether what they measure are the important things to measure. Access versus costs seems reasonable to me. We pay a lot for less.
    How do you assure the accuracy of what is reported to them that they report? What is important in one country isn't important in another.

    As for access, with a doctor shortage how is there better access? Putting the cart before the horse is what liberals do, always. We are 13 trillion in debt because of it.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    How do you assure the accuracy of what is reported to them that they report? What is important in one country isn't important in another.

    As for access, with a doctor shortage how is there better access? Putting the cart before the horse is what liberals do, always. We are 13 trillion in debt because of it.
    The information is documented and verifiable. No one is arguing accuracy that I know of. But if you have something that questions it legitimately, present it.

    As for what is important? We can look at what is measured and decide for ourselves. I can look at cost, access, and what we get and make a reasonable judgment. I think most can.

    As for access, you still overstate the shortage. It is far less a problem than then being uninsured and unable to afford care. We have been over this a lot already.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The information is documented and verifiable. No one is arguing accuracy that I know of. But if you have something that questions it legitimately, present it.

    As for what is important? We can look at what is measured and decide for ourselves. I can look at cost, access, and what we get and make a reasonable judgment. I think most can.

    As for access, you still overstate the shortage. It is far less a problem than then being uninsured and unable to afford care. We have been over this a lot already.
    We have one example of Universal healthcare in this country and a lot of projections about the future. I will take the known vs. the projected. The known is MA which of course you ignore. Costs have risen there and there is absolutely no reason to believe it won't rise here as well.

    Govt. social engineering in Medicare is another example. Original cost estimates have been blown out of the water but now for some reason a different group of liberals believe things are different. Things aren't different. I don't trust you and your ideology with our tax dollars and you refuse to admit that you just could be wrong. That is liberal arrogance.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We have one example of Universal healthcare in this country and a lot of projections about the future. I will take the known vs. the projected. The known is MA which of course you ignore. Costs have risen there and there is absolutely no reason to believe it won't rise here as well.

    Govt. social engineering in Medicare is another example. Original cost estimates have been blown out of the water but now for some reason a different group of liberals believe things are different. Things aren't different. I don't trust you and your ideology with our tax dollars and you refuse to admit that you just could be wrong. That is liberal arrogance.
    MA is hardly a finished product either. It also isn't universal single payer system. Hawaii is a much closer example. It too isn't single payer, but neither is the national effort.

    Medicare isn't a good example because it is limited to people who need care without the well counter balance. Despite this and the problems, there isn't a large line of people clamoring to end the program.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    As for access, with a doctor shortage how is there better access? Putting the cart before the horse is what liberals do, always. We are 13 trillion in debt because of it.
    So there was no debt built up while Bush and the GOP Congress were running things?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So there was no debt built up while Bush and the GOP Congress were running things?
    Sure was but it had nothing to do with tax rate cuts that grew revenue. Bush and the Republican AND Democrat Controlled Congress spent too much.

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