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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    That is your opinion which you are entitled to but you cannot offer an example of a good single pay system anywhere in the world as you don't seem to have a clue as to how it is paid for and what that has done to the economy of those countries?
    Frankly, single payer system throughout the world have done fine. Nothing's perfect, but France isn't wanting to be us. Neither does much of Europe. Heck, even Canada really doesn't want to change places. Sure you can find a few discontents anywhere, but we rank pretty low according to the WHO.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Frankly, single payer system throughout the world have done fine. Nothing's perfect, but France isn't wanting to be us. Neither does much of Europe. Heck, even Canada really doesn't want to change places. Sure you can find a few discontents anywhere, but we rank pretty low according to the WHO.
    I put zero faith in the WHO how doesn't use the same measurement per country. Their numbers are hardly accurate.

    Do you really want an economy like France, Canada or any other country in Europe? How about $7-10 gasoline? How about a large VAT tax. You haven't thought this through at all and are too emotionally tied up supporting this POS legislation that does nothing to lower costs. How are costs lowered when tort reform and competition isn't even mentioned in the bill? How do you legally force people to buy insurance and then give them an opt out? Think they won't opt out?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I put zero faith in the WHO how doesn't use the same measurement per country. Their numbers are hardly accurate.

    Do you really want an economy like France, Canada or any other country in Europe? How about $7-10 gasoline? How about a large VAT tax. You haven't thought this through at all and are too emotionally tied up supporting this POS legislation that does nothing to lower costs. How are costs lowered when tort reform and competition isn't even mentioned in the bill? How do you legally force people to buy insurance and then give them an opt out? Think they won't opt out?
    I'm sure you do, as it doesn't fit your personal narrative. However, they map out well what they are measuring and we do have some issues. Access being one of them. We also spend a lot for less.

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    I'm sure you do, as it doesn't fit your personal narrative. However, they map out well what they are measuring and we do have some issues. Access being one of them. We also spend a lot for less.
    Tell me how they measure life expectancy and where military fatalities are placed in those numbers. How many other deaths are not health related but are added to the numbers?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Tell me how they measure life expectancy and where military fatalities are placed in those numbers. How many other deaths are not health related but are added to the numbers?
    If you have a point why don't you just make it?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    If you have a point why don't you just make it?
    The point is WHO numbers which are used to promote the current healthcare bill are flawed and aren't comparing apples to apples.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Tell me how they measure life expectancy and where military fatalities are placed in those numbers. How many other deaths are not health related but are added to the numbers?
    Do you really suggest that war is the reason for the numbers? Seriously?


    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

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    The point is WHO numbers which are used to promote the current healthcare bill are flawed and aren't comparing apples to apples.
    Okay how do you come to this conclusion?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you really suggest that war is the reason for the numbers? Seriously?


    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
    The fact that the WHO doesn't put rankings out should tell you something and I don't know for sure but have been told that WHO numbers include military deaths in this country and since most military deaths are younger people that skews the numbers.

    Doesn't really matter since the rankings are no longer being done. So stop using WHO as a source.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    The fact that the WHO doesn't put rankings out should tell you something and I don't know for sure but have been told that WHO numbers include military deaths in this country and since most military deaths are younger people that skews the numbers.

    Doesn't really matter since the rankings are no longer being done. So stop using WHO as a source.
    I don't know who told you that, but as they put it out in 2000, which is before we are war, I'm not sure how you can make this claim. I would be interested in you providing evidence to support your claim.

    And what do you mean WHO doesn't put rankings out?

    WHO Press Releases 2000

    Press Release WHO/44
    21 June 2000


    WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
    ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS

    PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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