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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I think what many on the left miss is the history of govt. spending on social programs and they also love the CBO when it supports their point of view but not when it refutes their point of view.
    I realize you think this. But you thinking it doesn't make it so. Personally, I noted the CBO in both cases, and without accepting either case was likely 100% accurate. The bottom line for me is this: Doing nothing was unacceptable. And if we allowed the fear mongers to once again derail reform, we would be left in the same hole we're been in for decades, leaving us with rising costs for less and less service, and more and more people unable to access reasonable care. A journey of a thousands miles begins with a single step, even if it is an imperfect step.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I realize you think this. But you thinking it doesn't make it so. Personally, I noted the CBO in both cases, and without accepting either case was likely 100% accurate. The bottom line for me is this: Doing nothing was unacceptable. And if we allowed the fear mongers to once again derail reform, we would be left in the same hole we're been in for decades, leaving us with rising costs for less and less service, and more and more people unable to access reasonable care. A journey of a thousands miles begins with a single step, even if it is an imperfect step.
    I hardly call spending trillions a small step forward. Identify the problems and solve the problems instead of just throwing more people into the system. The point is Medicare results are being ignored just like SS and every other govt. sponsored social program. Just throw more money at the problem since "it isn't your money" but the problem is it is your money and for some reason you prefer demonizing private business for waste and fraud when you control whether or not you invest in those companies and ignore your "investment" in the Federal govt. and its waste and fraud. It does seem that you and others support "spending in the name of compassion" without ever getting true compassionate results. You do however create dependency and that keeps politicians employed.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I hardly call spending trillions a small step forward. Identify the problems and solve the problems instead of just throwing more people into the system. The point is Medicare results are being ignored just like SS and every other govt. sponsored social program. Just throw more money at the problem since "it isn't your money" but the problem is it is your money and for some reason you prefer demonizing private business for waste and fraud when you control whether or not you invest in those companies and ignore your "investment" in the Federal govt. and its waste and fraud. It does seem that you and others support "spending in the name of compassion" without ever getting true compassionate results. You do however create dependency and that keeps politicians employed.
    You're spending now. And solving the problems call for more government intervention than you're willing to support at the moment. The public option would have been a better step. One single payer system would be better still and make medicare and medicaid unnecessary.

    But, those aren't in the cards. So, we have to work at stopping the bleeding until we can get something better. Think of it as work in progress.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    You're spending now. And solving the problems call for more government intervention than you're willing to support at the moment. The public option would have been a better step. One single payer system would be better still and make medicare and medicaid unnecessary.

    But, those aren't in the cards. So, we have to work at stopping the bleeding until we can get something better. Think of it as work in progress.
    Prove to me that we are spending the amount this bill will cost? The public option would increase the size of govt, remove incentive and drive private business and jobs out of this economy. Open your eyes and stop being blinded by socialist rhetoric. Get actual facts like the cost of Medicare today vs. when it started. Try another number the cost of govt. before the Great Society and the cots of govt. now? All that social engineering and what do we have to show for it, 13 trillion in debt and you want to add to it.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Prove to me that we are spending the amount this bill will cost? The public option would increase the size of govt, remove incentive and drive private business and jobs out of this economy. Open your eyes and stop being blinded by socialist rhetoric. Get actual facts like the cost of Medicare today vs. when it started. Try another number the cost of govt. before the Great Society and the cots of govt. now? All that social engineering and what do we have to show for it, 13 trillion in debt and you want to add to it.
    Health care costs are currently a troubling burden on families and businesses. Yet without reform, this burden will increase dramatically. The Congressional Budget Office projects that the cost of a family premium under employer-provided health insurance will increase by approximately 70 percent (after inflation) in the next nine years. This cost growth will have cascading effects across the economy as businesses trim benefits and workers lose their coverage.

    According to researchers at Harvard University, a 20-percent increase in premiums costs 3.5 million workers their jobs, causes millions more to move from full-time to part-time work, and cuts the average income by approximately $1,700. CBO predicts that this 20- percent increase will occur over the next four years.



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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Health care costs are currently a troubling burden on families and businesses. Yet without reform, this burden will increase dramatically. The Congressional Budget Office projects that the cost of a family premium under employer-provided health insurance will increase by approximately 70 percent (after inflation) in the next nine years. This cost growth will have cascading effects across the economy as businesses trim benefits and workers lose their coverage.

    According to researchers at Harvard University, a 20-percent increase in premiums costs 3.5 million workers their jobs, causes millions more to move from full-time to part-time work, and cuts the average income by approximately $1,700. CBO predicts that this 20- percent increase will occur over the next four years.



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    Well since nothing in this bill lowers premium costs I guess the answer is just throw more money at the problem. This bill spends trillions on top of what we are spending for Medicare and Medicaid now. There is no evidence that this bill will cut costs and in fact history shows it increases costs. Your blind faith is allowing the govt. to write checks it cannot cover without borrowing or printing money all because it makes you feel good.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Well since nothing in this bill lowers premium costs I guess the answer is just throw more money at the problem. This bill spends trillions on top of what we are spending for Medicare and Medicaid now. There is no evidence that this bill will cut costs and in fact history shows it increases costs. Your blind faith is allowing the govt. to write checks it cannot cover without borrowing or printing money all because it makes you feel good.
    Doesn't it? If there is less reason for hospitals to overcharge, then there is less reason for insurance companies to raise prices. Now, a public option would have done more, but you know how that went.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Doesn't it? If there is less reason for hospitals to overcharge, then there is less reason for insurance companies to raise prices. Now, a public option would have done more, but you know how that went.
    Becareful what you ask for, there is no example of a public option being implemented in a country the size of the United States with 50 independent states who have rights and who has millions of citizens dependent on the healthcare industry for salaries, dividends, and charity work. You really don't know how business works, do you?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Becareful what you ask for, there is no example of a public option being implemented in a country the size of the United States with 50 independent states who have rights and who has millions of citizens dependent on the healthcare industry for salaries, dividends, and charity work. You really don't know how business works, do you?
    I'm very familiar with how things work, and have done time in free clinics. I told you about conversation with someone doing that work in Chicago earlier. A public option would have helped more. Not as much as a single payer, but more than what we have now. And it really was the best compromise option.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm very familiar with how things work, and have done time in free clinics. I told you about conversation with someone doing that work in Chicago earlier. A public option would have helped more. Not as much as a single payer, but more than what we have now. And it really was the best compromise option.
    That is your opinion which you are entitled to but you cannot offer an example of a good single pay system anywhere in the world as you don't seem to have a clue as to how it is paid for and what that has done to the economy of those countries?

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