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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    CBO accuracy on projections is very poor at best
    Prove that.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Yes, I have used CBO numbers to show how ridiculous they really are. CBO accuracy on projections is very poor at best so tell me why your CBO numbers are correct but when countered by other CBO numbers those numbers are incorrect?
    That is your opinion, at best. And you're welcome to it. But you need, as we all do, some evidence to support your opinion. What ultimately happens will largely depend on what we do next. But what is really needed is for more reform, not backing up to the place we were at. In other words, democrats need to go farther than they have.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Prove that.
    Why? you don't buy anything that proves you wrong.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is your opinion, at best. And you're welcome to it. But you need, as we all do, some evidence to support your opinion. What ultimately happens will largely depend on what we do next. But what is really needed is for more reform, not backing up to the place we were at. In other words, democrats need to go farther than they have.
    There is nothing in this bill that reforms healthcare to make it better. it does provide access but how does that create better quality healthcare? Still no answer, just same old argument, different day.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Why? you don't buy anything that proves you wrong.
    Sure I do, when it does.

    No excuses. Let everyone else see the evidence too.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    There is nothing in this bill that reforms healthcare to make it better. it does provide access but how does that create better quality healthcare? Still no answer, just same old argument, different day.
    The person who has access gets better care than the person who doesn't. I was talking with a nurse this weekend who was seeing people at a free clinic. She was discouraged by the the hopelessness of only being able to help for a day. While what they did was slightly better than nothing, many had long term problems that needed regular meds they could not afford, continued treatments they would not get, and followup and education that would not be available for them until they got better access. This seems pretty easy to follow, and I can't understand why you don't see this as better care.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure I do, when it does.

    No excuses. Let everyone else see the evidence too.
    That's an important distinction that I think many miss.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure I do, when it does.

    No excuses. Let everyone else see the evidence too.
    I have proven you wrong on numerous occasions, i.e. doctor shortage, insured using the ER's, and the MA medical cost increase after their healthcare reform.

    Tired of proving you wrong, having you never admit it, and then simply moving on to some other topic.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's an important distinction that I think many miss.
    I think what many on the left miss is the history of govt. spending on social programs and they also love the CBO when it supports their point of view but not when it refutes their point of view. That is what I was showing. There are two sides to the CBO story but you only gave one. What I gave was history which is defined in the following

    The question of the accuracy of the CBO’s estimates remains. Daniel Mitchell of the Cato Institute asserts that the CBO has a reputation for making mistakes, “in part because there is no attempt to measure how a bigger burden of government has negative macroeconomic effects, but also because the number crunchers do a poor job of measuring the degree to which people (recipients, health care providers, state and local politicians, etc.) will modify their behavior to become eligible for other people’s money.” Mitchell adds that this issue is “compounded by similar mistakes for revenue estimates from the Committee on Taxation,” who also overlooks macroeconomic effects and behavioral changes.

    Likewise, Mitchell asserts that all of the estimates are incorrect, specifically that new spending will be more than predicted, the tax increases won’t generate as much as expected, and future restraints in spending are highly unlikely.

    Mitchell also explains that if there is indeed a phase-out of subsidies in 2019, taxpayers with modest incomes will face marginal tax rates of nearly 70 percent.

    Overall, the government is inept at predicting healthcare spending. When Medicare was created in 1965, the government estimated that the cost of the program would be $12 billion by the year 1990. In actuality, the program cost $110 billion in 1990, and to date costs $500 billion. Also in 1965, Medicaid was created and was expected to cost $1 billion annually, but has developed into a $250 billion program.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have proven you wrong on numerous occasions,
    Yes, and I either admitted it, or told you why you actually hadn't proven me wrong.

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