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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    What is a subsidy?
    Subsidy definition

    A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or tax reduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

    Politics play an important part in subsidization. In general, the left is more in favor of having subsidized industries, while the right feels that industry should stand on its own without public funds.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Again, why do you assume that just because I disagree with you on certain points that automatically makes me a liberal? You seem to take this same point of view with anyone who doesn't share your point of view. That's very narrow-minded.

    And as I've said time and time again, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone in this country making money...tons of it if they are fortunate enough to be so blessed. My problem comes with people who think like you do who see no place in government to render aid to its citizens under ANY circumstances. I just don't understand how people can be so coarse.

    Where did I say that the govt. has no place in rendering aid to its citizens? What you don't understand is we have 50 independent states that are closer to the problem than the bureaucrats in D.C. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about the problems in your area?

    I am still waiting for you to explain to me why it is the Federal Govt. responsibility to provide health care in state and local communities?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Subsidy definition

    A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or tax reduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

    Politics play an important part in subsidization. In general, the left is more in favor of having subsidized industries, while the right feels that industry should stand on its own without public funds.
    By definition a tax reduction comes off the tax liability of a company after it has earned the money. That is what oil companies get but they pay back those taxes in multiples by the employee taxes and the property taxes on what they own in a community along with the royalties paid. Any subsidy to an oil company is in tax reductions and I have no problem with tax reductions as the govt. just wastes money.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    By definition a tax reduction comes off the tax liability of a company after it has earned the money. That is what oil companies get but they pay back those taxes in multiples by the employee taxes and the property taxes on what they own in a community along with the royalties paid. Any subsidy to an oil company is in tax reductions and I have no problem with tax reductions as the govt. just wastes money.
    Cool! So if the government cuts my taxes to zero and increases yours to make up for it, you should be happy!

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Where did I say that the govt. has no place in rendering aid to its citizens?
    You've complained about "individual responsibility" the entire thread. I'd say that constitutes government having no place in helping its citizens from your point of view.

    [quoteWhat you don't understand is we have 50 independent states that are closer to the problem than the bureaucrats in D.C. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about the problems in your area? [/quote]

    States collect data on various programs all the time. I receive reports on a regular basis covering a wide variety of issues related to the health and welfare of the residents within my state. It's part of how states gather information concerning the stability and/or efficiency of the programs they manage.

    I am still waiting for you to explain to me why it is the Federal Govt. responsibility to provide health care in state and local communities?
    Let's see...it's called Medicaid and it's done because the health of the nation is crucial to its own survival even with said health is related to the poor...especially when it relates to the poor. But, as I've explained to you before Congress creates the programs thereby setting minimal standards and delegates the responsibility in carrying out such programs to the states. I don't blame the fed for the inefficiency of social programs. I blame the states.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Cool! So if the government cuts my taxes to zero and increases yours to make up for it, you should be happy!
    Keep trolling, that has nothing to do with the discussion. Oil companies don't tax individuals and use their tax subsidies to expand production and to drill for more oil. What you don't see are the dry holes and the investment required today to find oil. doesn't matter to those inside the beltway, nor does it matter how many taxpaying individuals businesses employ, does it?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Objective Voice;1058716164]You've complained about "individual responsibility" the entire thread. I'd say that constitutes government having no place in helping its citizens from your point of view.
    Read the Constitution and stop acting like a fool. The Constitution defines the role of the govt. and no where does it mention healthcare.

    States collect data on various programs all the time. I receive reports on a regular basis covering a wide variety of issues related to the health and welfare of the residents within my state. It's part of how states gather information concerning the stability and/or efficiency of the programs they manage.
    Great, then solve the problems in your state and stop looking to someone else to bail you out. It isn't my responsibility to pay for your healthcare nor anyone else's in your state nor is it yours to pay for mine.

    Let's see...it's called Medicaid and it's done because the health of the nation is crucial to its own survival even with said health is related to the poor...especially when it relates to the poor. But, as I've explained to you before Congress creates the programs thereby setting minimal standards and delegates the responsibility in carrying out such programs to the states. I don't blame the fed for the inefficiency of social programs. I blame the states.
    BS, Medicaid is the state program, Medicare is the Federal Program, both are riddled with waste, fraud, and abuse yet you blame insurance companies. Where in the Constitution is healthcare mentioned? Federal Bureaucrats that have run up a 13 trillion dollar debt have no business setting minimum anything for individuals.

    If you blame the states then do something about it, change your govt. Anyone that believes the Federal govt can do anything better than the states is naive, gullible, and very misinformed. I know my state rep and can call him at any time, state and local issues are his responsibility. No bureaucrat in D.C. gives a damn about what happens in my state except my Representative who is one of 435

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    By definition a tax reduction comes off the tax liability of a company after it has earned the money. That is what oil companies get but they pay back those taxes in multiples by the employee taxes and the property taxes on what they own in a community along with the royalties paid. Any subsidy to an oil company is in tax reductions and I have no problem with tax reductions as the govt. just wastes money.
    What about the taxpayer funded wars so the oil companies continue to have product to make record profits, and than we pay for it again at the pumps?

    Not to mention the increased costs due to increased national security threats due to our killing of innocent people to control their oil.

    It seems you forgot to add in those subsidies.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    There is plenty of oil off the coasts of this country that the states refuse to touch.
    BS! Drill baby drill is an election year slogan is what it is!

    We haven't produced as much oil as we consume in this country since 1970, despite whether liberals or conservatives were in charge.

    Have you never read Cheney's 2001 oil industry task force report that stated that drilling alone is not the answer? Why do you think they recommended our military control of Iraq's oil?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What about the taxpayer funded wars so the oil companies continue to have product to make record profits, and than we pay for it again at the pumps?

    Not to mention the increased costs due to increased national security threats due to our killing of innocent people to control their oil.

    It seems you forgot to add in those subsidies.
    You seem to have a one track mind if you have a mind at all. You simply don't have a clue about how business works or how our economy runs. Different day, same old distortion by you. Your ignorance puts you in the loon category.

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