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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I do indeed understand your point but this bill solves none of that and adds more that the taxpayer will have to cover. The fines for those that do not purchase healthcare do not offset the costs of healthcare for the new individuals covered, most of whom have preexisting conditions that are most costly. Don't you understand that?
    Your own article says that in the long run it may well offset the cost. You posted the article.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Your own article says that in the long run it may well offset the cost. You posted the article.
    Why did you ignore the short term cost increases which are more likely to happen because long range forecasting has never been accurate? Again why the passion for this healthcare bill? What is in it for you and your family?

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    Now won't that be just wonderful? Don't you have an concept of history or reality? Like far too many personal responsibility doesn't resonate in your world and I am sure like many this is about someone else not you. If you truly cared so much about someone else, you wouldn't be supporting a party that keeps people dependent and has to use victims.

    Everytime I see people like you posting comments promoting the Public Option, I always remember Glenn Beck's book, Arguing with Idiots. Nothing is ever going to change your mind and no matter how unsuccessful govt. is in solving social problems, arrogance prevails and liberals promote another group throwing money at the problem.
    I know that most of the country wants a public option from just about every poll that has asked if they want one, and aren't the GOP always talking about how they want what the majoirty wants?

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    I know that most of the country wants a public option from just about every poll that has asked if they want one, and aren't the GOP always talking about how they want what the majoirty wants?
    Not sure what polls you are looking at but if that is true then the public is as historically challenged as you are? How will a public option be funded or do you even care? The support for the healthcare bill still has majority disaproval.

    April 15, 2010
    Americans' Views on Healthcare Law Remain StableLatest poll shows 45% saying passage of law was a good thing, 49% a bad thingby Frank Newport

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans remain divided on the merits of the new healthcare law, with 45% saying it was a good thing that Congress passed the legislation and 49% saying it was a bad thing. This assessment from an April 8-11 Gallup poll shows little change from two weeks ago.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Why did you ignore the short term cost increases which are more likely to happen because long range forecasting has never been accurate? Again why the passion for this healthcare bill? What is in it for you and your family?
    Because long range matters more. Nothing special about short term. Often you have to lay out short term costs in order to get long term gain. So, while not a certainty by any means, there really isn't any magic bullet that gets us there without laying some cost first.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Why did you ignore the short term cost increases which are more likely to happen because long range forecasting has never been accurate? Again why the passion for this healthcare bill? What is in it for you and your family?
    I'll take that last question on. For me, these were the most important issues:

    • Elimination of pre-existing conditions.
    • Restriction lifted that young adults/older teens over the age of 18 must be full-time college students (up to age 26) in order to remain on their parent's insurance.
    • All basic insurance policies will have the same level of standard coverage.
    • More options will be available via high risk pools and co-ops (health insurance exchanges) to obtain insurance rather than a single or small group of insurance companies being the only options because they are the major insurance providers in an area/state.
    • Cap annual out-of-pocket medical expenses at $5,000 per individual and $10,000 per family (starting in 2013).


    Those were the main things that I was personnally concerned with. I've linked two articles that I believe will help people to better understand how some cost containments may work in the long-term and how certain measures in the health care reform bill my benefit individuals and their families.

    Newsweek, "How Health Care Reform Reduces the Deficit in 5 Not-So-Easy Steps," by By Ezra Klein dated March 21, 2010

    Miami Herald News, "Health care bills would limit out-of-pocket costs," By David Lightman dated October 28, 2009 (Note: Old article, but most of the provisions mentioned remain in the legistlation as passed)
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure what polls you are looking at but if that is true then the public is as historically challenged as you are? How will a public option be funded or do you even care? The support for the healthcare bill still has majority disaproval.

    April 15, 2010
    Americans' Views on Healthcare Law Remain StableLatest poll shows 45% saying passage of law was a good thing, 49% a bad thingby Frank Newport

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans remain divided on the merits of the new healthcare law, with 45% saying it was a good thing that Congress passed the legislation and 49% saying it was a bad thing. This assessment from an April 8-11 Gallup poll shows little change from two weeks ago.
    Most Americans did not support the health care legislation, but over a majority did support the public option. After all that bull****ting the GOP did about doing what the majority of Americans want I think it is clear what path they need to take if they want to maintain even an ounce of credibility.

    Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds - washingtonpost.com
    New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option
    Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR
    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Public Support for the Public Option

    So either you conservatives need to put up or shut up.

    You guys don't give a **** about doing what the people want or lowering costs, you only want to see the Democrats fail. That is why the GOP has become so pathetic.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Most Americans did not support the health care legislation, but over a majority did support the public option. After all that bull****ting the GOP did about doing what the majority of Americans want I think it is clear what path they need to take if they want to maintain even an ounce of credibility.

    Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds - washingtonpost.com
    New Poll: 77 Percent Support "Choice" Of Public Option
    Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR
    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Public Support for the Public Option

    So either you conservatives need to put up or shut up.

    You guys don't give a **** about doing what the people want or lowering costs, you only want to see the Democrats fail. That is why the GOP has become so pathetic.
    First of all the polls you cited aren't credible IMO nor do they matter. Tell me why you believe the govt. is the answer to the healthcare problem and why you believe they can run healthcare better than they have run SS, Medicare, or any other entitlement program?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    First of all the polls you cited aren't credible IMO nor do they matter. Tell me why you believe the govt. is the answer to the healthcare problem and why you believe they can run healthcare better than they have run SS, Medicare, or any other entitlement program?
    You don't know what a public option is.

    More polls!

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rats_collapses
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

    Let me know when I provide a "credible" one. But it is something you don't want to hear, so I doubt that will be anytime soon.

    Why do you hate America by refusing to support a public option?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't know what a public option is.

    More polls!

    Without Public Option, Enthusiasm for Health Care Reform, Especially Among Democrats, Collapses - Rasmussen Reports
    Most in U.S. want public health option: poll | Reuters

    Let me know when I provide a "credible" one. But it is something you don't want to hear, so I doubt that will be anytime soon.

    Why do you hate America by refusing to support a public option?
    How about the Pubic er Public "Option" is anything but that. it was purely designed to undercut private insurers and put them out of business. Result?!? so much for the Public "Option"


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