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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Why have insurance premiums skyrocketed or do you even care? how do you cut the costs of healthcare without identifying all the costs? You want so badly to believe what you are told but you ignore what really is in that bill and how it does nothing to lower costs? Adding those with pre existing conditions increases costs not decreases them and adding weak penalties doesn't increase the pool of young people.

    As for being unconstitutional, where is Constitutional forcing Americans to buy a personal responsibility program?
    Because we add those pre-existing conditions is why everyone has to have insurance. This buffers the cost and makes it so they don't have to raise premiums.

    As for reasons, we've gone over this. At what point will you actually listen?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    If their are free riders in HC, it would be better that all pay into the system and pay according to their income. Otherwise the bottom 25% will be locked out of HC.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because we add those pre-existing conditions is why everyone has to have insurance. This buffers the cost and makes it so they don't have to raise premiums.

    As for reasons, we've gone over this. At what point will you actually listen?
    This bill doesn't force everyone to have insurance as there is an opt out provision. See, you don't even know what is in the bill nor do you care. This is about making you feel better without ever solving a problem. That is what today's Democrat Party does, suck people like you into their goal of creating dependence and like a good little sheep you buy it.

    Still waiting for where it is Constitutional to force people to buy health insurance and please don't try the old "auto insurance' excuse.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    This bill doesn't force everyone to have insurance as there is an opt out provision. See, you don't even know what is in the bill nor do you care. This is about making you feel better without ever solving a problem. That is what today's Democrat Party does, suck people like you into their goal of creating dependence and like a good little sheep you buy it.

    Still waiting for where it is Constitutional to force people to buy health insurance and please don't try the old "auto insurance' excuse.
    Please, try to pay attention. It requires enough to buy insurance that it allows for the cost of taking pre-existing conditions to be affordable.

    As for the constitution, if you look, you will find the courts have allowed the government to do things not specifically spelled out in the constitution. You will need a better argument than the one you're trying to make.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Please, try to pay attention. It requires enough to buy insurance that it allows for the cost of taking pre-existing conditions to be affordable.

    As for the constitution, if you look, you will find the courts have allowed the government to do things not specifically spelled out in the constitution. You will need a better argument than the one you're trying to make.
    No, it is you that needs to pay attention, first of all it is not certain whether requiring anyone to buy a personal responsibility item is legal under our Constitution but even if it is the opt out provision by paying a minimal fine will suffice to prevent those invincible healthy individuals not to purchase insurance and simply pay the fine, leaving the unhealthy left in the system.

    Find out why Anthem tried to raise premiums in California and get back to us. Hint, it had something to do with the healthy dropping their insurance.

    You really need to think instead of feeling. Think about the mess we have with our govt. today and instead of demonizing private industry you need to demonize the waste, fraud and abuse perpetuated daily by out of control bureaucrats who spend "in the name" of compassiion yet NEVER get compassionate results.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    No, it is you that needs to pay attention, first of all it is not certain whether requiring anyone to buy a personal responsibility item is legal under our Constitution but even if it is the opt out provision by paying a minimal fine will suffice to prevent those invincible healthy individuals not to purchase insurance and simply pay the fine, leaving the unhealthy left in the system.

    Find out why Anthem tried to raise premiums in California and get back to us. Hint, it had something to do with the healthy dropping their insurance.

    You really need to think instead of feeling. Think about the mess we have with our govt. today and instead of demonizing private industry you need to demonize the waste, fraud and abuse perpetuated daily by out of control bureaucrats who spend "in the name" of compassiion yet NEVER get compassionate results.
    Nothing is certain, which is why we have courts. They'll decide this. But you can't claim with certainty that isn't constitutional when the courts have allowed such things before. The fine is money, and money would help pay for some of it. How many do you think can actually opt out?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing is certain, which is why we have courts. They'll decide this. But you can't claim with certainty that isn't constitutional when the courts have allowed such things before. The fine is money, and money would help pay for some of it. How many do you think can actually opt out?
    The fine is money and apparently that is all that matters to you, for someone else to pay for your own personal responsibility. The fine is nothing compared to the costs of health insurance under this new program. when the healthy opt out, pay the minimal fine leaving the chronic health problems in it what does that do to the cost of healthcare?

    How many will opt out? Probably the same number that can afford insurance now but refuse to buy it. The opt out cost is less than the cost of insurance saving the healthy a lot of money. That number will be in the millions.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    The fine is money and apparently that is all that matters to you, for someone else to pay for your own personal responsibility. The fine is nothing compared to the costs of health insurance under this new program. when the healthy opt out, pay the minimal fine leaving the chronic health problems in it what does that do to the cost of healthcare?

    How many will opt out? Probably the same number that can afford insurance now but refuse to buy it. The opt out cost is less than the cost of insurance saving the healthy a lot of money. That number will be in the millions.
    Dude, I have insurance. And as I keep pointing out, you're paying for others right now. Rather ineffectively to boot.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    The provision actually was taken directly from Wyden's Healthy Americans Act -- the far-more innovative health care reform legislation he authored with Republican co-sponsors. In that bill there is also an individual mandate that would require Americans to purchase insurance coverage. But states that found the mandate objectionable could simply create and insert a new system in its place. All it would require is applying for a waiver from the Department of Health and Human Services, which has a 180-day window to confirm or deny such a waiver.

    Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate

    Could you be more specific about how individuals can opt out? Link something.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Dude, I have insurance. And as I keep pointing out, you're paying for others right now. Rather ineffectively to boot.
    I am also paying for a bloated federal govt. that is out of control and not getting any smaller.

    The costs I am paying now are considerably less than the costs I will be paying in the future for this bloated POS.

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