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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The insured can pay. And I have answered. It does lower cost because they will be covered and can get care paid for.
    Then why is the taxpayer funding insured ER room services? You are overstating as usual the taxpayer responsibility which now seems to be mostly illegals and insured. You don't need this POS to handle those who cannot pay.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    I educated MYSELF...

    I found my own work...

    I bought my own insurance...

    NOW my insurance goes up (17% increase), my taxes go up (here comes the VAT) and my quality of care goes down (more people/less Docs=Less Quality)... GOOD JOB Progressives! Now that you have insured those that didn't want it we can all pay for it!

    Obamacare is:

    Those who pay for those who CAN'T....
    Forced to pay for those who WON'T...
    By those that have the guns..

    Requiring a product to be bought by citizen is by no means constitutional.. you can put lipstick on a pig, but it still smells like SH!T!

    As an ex-contractor: If you or your neighbor wants to remodel his kitchen and winds up tearing his house down to do it.. Then your neighbor (or you) is an IDIOT! ... (or just a liberal)
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't need this POS to handle those who cannot pay.
    .. you ONLY need it to to advance the progressive agenda .. nothing more.. WELL there is that whole entitlement-slave-voter-base thing though..
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Then why is the taxpayer funding insured ER room services? You are overstating as usual the taxpayer responsibility which now seems to be mostly illegals and insured. You don't need this POS to handle those who cannot pay.
    Insured not a problem, as they can pay. They are insured. Illegals are not covered and will be a problem until we deal with illegals, which neither party wants to do.

    But uninsured who visit, and the number is significant, cost us all. We pay right now. Not only there, but in other treatments and hospitalizations in which people can't pay.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Only if the ER doesn't bill the insurance company of the insured. There is nothing in this bill that prevents the insured from going to the ER's.

    Still won't answer the question because you know the answer. Why should the govt. demand that people who can fund their own insurance be forced to buy insurance that does nothing to lower the cost of healthcare?

    You are losing this argument badly but then again I am sure down deep you realize that.
    Do you really believe millionaires don't carry health insurance? I'd say that's hardly likely. The more people have, the more likely they are not to want to pay out of pocket, or risk losing everything. If a millionaire doesn't have insurance it'd be easy for him to pay a fine, if he has any liquid assets.

    If Obama could have gone universal right now it may have actually been better than beatin' 'round the bush. We are going to have to pay for the ne'er do wells, the real poor and handicapped no matter what, so we should have just went all the way the first go 'round.

    How long do you figure it will take the insurance companies to go under with this Obama scheme anyway? I'd say it's going to happen very quickly.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Marilyn Monroe;1058682989]Do you really believe millionaires don't carry health insurance? I'd say that's hardly likely. The more people have, the more likely they are not to want to pay out of pocket, or risk losing everything. If a millionaire doesn't have insurance it'd be easy for him to pay a fine, if he has any liquid assets.
    Yes, I know millionaires that do not carry healthcare insurance and don't need to as they have enough money to pay for whatever they need.

    If Obama could have gone universal right now it may have actually been better than beatin' 'round the bush. We are going to have to pay for the ne'er do wells, the real poor and handicapped no matter what, so we should have just went all the way the first go 'round.
    Why would you support Universal Healthcare run by the Govt? Please give me any govt. run program that cost what it was supposed to cost, does what it was supposed to do, solved a problem. Your willing support of govt. run anything is dangerous at best but very naive. MA care is bankrupt, SS is bankrupt, Medicare is bankrupt.

    How long do you figure it will take the insurance companies to go under with this Obama scheme anyway? I'd say it's going to happen very quickly.
    I agree, it won't take long for the govt. to take over and will do so under the claim that those evil insurance companies cannot provide the necessary service while some will indeed go out of business.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Yes, I know millionaires that do not carry healthcare insurance and don't need to as they have enough money to pay for whatever they need.
    This is great if it's what they want to do because insurance has made it pretty much impossible for most of us to go to the doctor, have a few tests run, get meds without having a fairly enormous bill to pay. Insurance made it possible for many of us to live longer with less complications, cause we can go to the doctor before something is too big of a problem.

    I know what it was like before insurance, and if you were poor, healthcare was pretty much out. Only people with "good jobs" had company insurance, and had the opportunity to be healthier than the rest of us.

    Even though many of us were able to secure jobs that offered HC as an incentive to work for certain companies there have always been companies that didn't offer it, or they offered crappy insurance, like Walmart, with super high deductibles that had to be met before it paid for anything.

    Something really should have been done before insurance became the way to lead a healthy life. But....this is how we evolved to where we're at, and it's always been fairly lop-sided. There are those who have great insurance, and then mediocre, and then none, or almost none. The insurance industry has been a nightmare for doctor's. I can remember when doctor's had a receptionist, and a nurse. That was it. Now they have huge billing departments with sometimes 10 or more employee's.

    Why would you support Universal Healthcare run by the Govt? Please give me any govt. run program that cost what it was supposed to cost, does what it was supposed to do, solved a problem. Your willing support of govt. run anything is dangerous at best but very naive. MA care is bankrupt, SS is bankrupt, Medicare is bankrupt.
    Social Security is ok till 2041, but will need an increase in payroll deductions of 1.7% and possibly lowering benefit payments to continue.

    From npr:
    Over the years, Congress has tried various ways to slow the growth of Medicare by limiting payments to health providers, improving efficiencies and opening up parts of the plan to private competition.

    In a nutshell, Congress can raise taxes, cut benefits or make changes to the way health care is delivered. It will likely aim for a combination of all three when it tries to overhaul the system later this year.
    MHO is the elderly would in many cases be lost without these programs, and those that wouldn't are too greedy to pay their own way. This is how people are, and there's no way to change that.

    I agree, it won't take long for the govt. to take over and will do so under the claim that those evil insurance companies cannot provide the necessary service while some will indeed go out of business.
    There's truth to some of the "evil insurance claims" but it's true in so many things. The CEO of Aetna makes 24 million a year. Thing is the company has stockholders, and they apparently don't mind what this Williams guy makes.

    The insurance companies will just have to do some major sucking up to our Congressman to get them off their backs it would seem.

    What would be your solution to the HC mess? How can all people get coverage? You want to keep it private, but I believe that insurance first started out as a union benefit, then in order to keep the unions out, companies started offering HC as a benefit. It's been a vicious cycle that most cmpanies probably wish had never occurred, but I believe a lot of our HC system is so good because of the insurance angle. I just don't know what would be the best. All systems have their flaws.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Perhaps Repulican Bill Frist said it best last year ~

    "Bill Frist, the former Tennessee senator and senate Republican leader, endorses an individual mandate in today's U.S. News weekly edition. The idea of an individual mandate, which would legally require everyone to buy health insurance, has drawn fire from conservatives and Republicans in recent weeks. But Frist, a heart surgeon, writes that, "the only way affordable access can be achieved is for every citizen to have some type of health insurance." He writes that catastrophic insurance is "an appropriate place to start."

    He adds:

    I believe in limited government and individual responsibility, cherish the freedom to choose, and generally oppose individual mandates—except where markets fail, individuals suffer, and society pays a hefty price. Let's face it, in a country as productive and advanced as ours, every American deserves affordable access to healthcare delivered at the right time. And they don't have it today.

    It is time for an individual health insurance mandate for a minimum level of health coverage."

    Frist Endorses Individual Mandate in Healthcare Reform - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Perhaps Repulican Bill Frist said it best last year ~

    "Bill Frist, the former Tennessee senator and senate Republican leader, endorses an individual mandate in today's U.S. News weekly edition. The idea of an individual mandate, which would legally require everyone to buy health insurance, has drawn fire from conservatives and Republicans in recent weeks. But Frist, a heart surgeon, writes that, "the only way affordable access can be achieved is for every citizen to have some type of health insurance." He writes that catastrophic insurance is "an appropriate place to start."

    He adds:

    I believe in limited government and individual responsibility, cherish the freedom to choose, and generally oppose individual mandates—except where markets fail, individuals suffer, and society pays a hefty price. Let's face it, in a country as productive and advanced as ours, every American deserves affordable access to healthcare delivered at the right time. And they don't have it today.

    It is time for an individual health insurance mandate for a minimum level of health coverage."

    Frist Endorses Individual Mandate in Healthcare Reform - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)

    This healthcare bill has nothing to do with improving the quality of healthcare or reducing costs of healthcare. This is about the unbridled attempt of the most radical Administration in U.S. history to add to their power and create greater dependence. They are doing this by appealing to good people like you, Boo, and others who are only thinking with your hearts.

    there are problems in our healthcare system in this country but this POS legislation is going to make things worse. It does not identify healthcare costs but does create more victims. If you truly want healthcare reform the scrap this bill and start over, first identify ALL Costs of healthcare including legal costs, R&D costs, Govt. regulations, then work to increase the infrastructure and cut out the payments for illegal's and bill their countries of origin. All insurance companies to sell across state lines and unleash the power of the American consumer and that will take care of some of the costs.

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    Marilyn Monroe;1058684823]This is great if it's what they want to do because insurance has made it pretty much impossible for most of us to go to the doctor, have a few tests run, get meds without having a fairly enormous bill to pay. Insurance made it possible for many of us to live longer with less complications, cause we can go to the doctor before something is too big of a problem.
    Not sure what kind of insurance you have but I have never had a problem with my insurance company preventing visits to doctors and my wife just went through a bout with cancer.

    Not sure where you get your information but I don't buy the rhetoric. Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a Govt. responsibility. This healthcare bill has nothing to do with lowering healthcare costs or improving quality because it doesn't address any of the real costs associated with healthcare and it does nothing to increase the number of doctors.


    I know what it was like before insurance, and if you were poor, healthcare was pretty much out. Only people with "good jobs" had company insurance, and had the opportunity to be healthier than the rest of us.
    Most of the uninsured in this country CHOOSE not to buy insurance for whatever reason and the penalties in this bill aren't going to change that. It doesn't take this massive entitlement program to cover those who cannot afford insurance.

    Even though many of us were able to secure jobs that offered HC as an incentive to work for certain companies there have always been companies that didn't offer it, or they offered crappy insurance, like Walmart, with super high deductibles that had to be met before it paid for anything.
    I competed against Wal-Mart and you are wrong regarding their insurance program. Many Wal-Mart employees are part time and even the part time have access to health insurance. So get the facts and stop buying what you are reading.


    Something really should have been done before insurance became the way to lead a healthy life. But....this is how we evolved to where we're at, and it's always been fairly lop-sided. There are those who have great insurance, and then mediocre, and then none, or almost none. The insurance industry has been a nightmare for doctor's. I can remember when doctor's had a receptionist, and a nurse. That was it. Now they have huge billing departments with sometimes 10 or more employee's.
    Having health insurance does not insure good health nor does it assure that people will go to the doctors for routine health checkups.

    Do you realize that a large number of insured people are using the emergency rooms because there aren't enough doctors and they cannot get an appointment.


    Social Security is ok till 2041, but will need an increase in payroll deductions of 1.7% and possibly lowering benefit payments to continue.

    From npr:
    There is more money going out of SS now than coming in and it is going to get worse. It has turned into one of the biggest ponzi schemes ever created. Where are your SS contributions going right now?

    MHO is the elderly would in many cases be lost without these programs, and those that wouldn't are too greedy to pay their own way. This is how people are, and there's no way to change that.
    Agree yet both Medicare and SS were forced contributions. Where did those contributions go? Check out the balanced budget of Clinton to find out. SS money has been used as part of the general budget for decades now.

    You contribute to SS and Medicare out of each paycheck. That money is being wasted by your govt. Now you want to create another entitlement program that will lead to the same results.


    There's truth to some of the "evil insurance claims" but it's true in so many things. The CEO of Aetna makes 24 million a year. Thing is the company has stockholders, and they apparently don't mind what this Williams guy makes.
    Why don't you care what your politicians make and how rich they have become? Why are you so worried about private industry that you can choose to do business with?

    The insurance companies will just have to do some major sucking up to our Congressman to get them off their backs it would seem.
    Do you realize the profit margin of Insurance Companies? Find out and get back to me.

    What would be your solution to the HC mess? How can all people get coverage? You want to keep it private, but I believe that insurance first started out as a union benefit, then in order to keep the unions out, companies started offering HC as a benefit. It's been a vicious cycle that most cmpanies probably wish had never occurred, but I believe a lot of our HC system is so good because of the insurance angle. I just don't know what would be the best. All systems have their flaws.
    I answered that question above. Get back with me and tell me where I am wrong. If you truly want healthcare reform then get the politicians out of it.

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