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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Met with my wife's cancer doctor on Monday and he expressed what I have been stating all along, more doctors are going to stop taking Medicare and Medicaid patients because of govt. regulations and lower payments.
    Does this law lower Medicare & Medicaid payments?

    Remember, doctors can be ignorant too. That urologist who wants to refuse patients who voted for Obama? He was spouting total falsehoods about the law. He then admitted he doesn't really know whats in it - except what he reads on the internet.

    Wait a while and see what doctors really do when reality trickles out.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    now wait a minute. every poll among providers indicates that the supply is going to shrink. the incentives offered to providers by the government are going to be negative. how in the world does reducing the supply of providers lower cost and increase availability?
    cp, Boo will tell you that the supply is going to go up due to the incentive the govt. will provide to get people to go into the profession. I wonder if the govt. will use taxpayer dollars to suppliment their pay too after they cut reimbursement rates for Medicare and the states reduce reimbursement rates for Medicaid.

    There is a doctor shortage right now and it is going to get worse when 30 million more people are added to the roles. Over burdened ER's now are going to get worse as those newly insured still cannot find a doctor.

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    Every country has the same problem, medical cost cant be controlled because there is a dynmanic in there cant cant be harnassed.

    We live to long
    new medicine cost more, not less
    medical procedures and tools powered by computers are expensive, not cheaper
    training is expensive
    Hospital patience needs 24 hour care
    capitalist countries encourage or accept that such companies make a healthy profit. The skys the limit isnt it?

    The only thing the state can do and will do is to push the financial responsibility on us consumers!
    Liberalism is freedom from tyranny. People of world unite to free us from Wallstreet!

    Republicanism is just another word for remaining selfish and ego-centric!

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Every country has the same problem, medical cost cant be controlled because there is a dynmanic in there cant cant be harnassed.

    We live to long
    new medicine cost more, not less
    medical procedures and tools powered by computers are expensive, not cheaper
    training is expensive
    Hospital patience needs 24 hour care
    capitalist countries encourage or accept that such companies make a healthy profit. The skys the limit isnt it?

    The only thing the state can do and will do is to push the financial responsibility on us consumers!
    There is nothing in this healthcare bill that improves the quality or quantity of healthcare nor does it do anything to lower the costs of healthcare. Too many people ignore the true cost of healthcare and equate that cost to what they pay. That isn't the cost of healthcare. Govt. mandates lower consumer costs but does nothing to lower the cost healthcare companies have to pay which are always passed on to the consumer.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    now wait a minute. every poll among providers indicates that the supply is going to shrink. the incentives offered to providers by the government are going to be negative. how in the world does reducing the supply of providers lower cost and increase availability?
    Poll? You mean opinion? Any evidence other than opinion?

    As for incentive, no provider is going to quit to something that pays even less. And incentive has been provided to encourage more providers. I linked at least one doctor saying it was a net gain. And the news article showed why, making it more then opinion.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No he won't get out of the business but he won't be accepting Medicare and Medicaid patients. Think, man, think. You aren't nearly as smart as you think.

    The op ed piece doesn't take into affect human behavior at all. Typical liberal theory that trumps reality and facts.
    Some don't do that now, not much change. But as I understand it, there is actually less reason today with reform than without it. We'll see.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Some don't do that now, not much change. But as I understand it, there is actually less reason today with reform than without it. We'll see.
    Medicare reimbursement rates weren't cut nor were costs passed on to the Medicaid expense at the state levels which are going to require cuts there as well.

    Yes, we shall see, problem is it will be too late. Why is it consequences never play any role in the liberal agenda?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Medicare reimbursement rates weren't cut nor were costs passed on to the Medicaid expense at the state levels which are going to require cuts there as well.

    Yes, we shall see, problem is it will be too late. Why is it consequences never play any role in the liberal agenda?
    Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?
    The so called "doctor fix" is an addition to the cost of the heathcare bill what was omitted initially when scored by the CBO. It was designed to offset the Medicare cuts that doctors will receive but does nothing to offset the Medicaid cuts and it is a tax that doctors and all other business people will be paying therefore not a net cut in physcian costs at all. In addition it does nothing to increase the number of doctors which is a serious problem now.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?
    The so called 'doc fix' dates back to 1997 when Congress changed the formula for reimbursing doctors under Medicare. Every year Congress has adjusted the limitations. It was going to be done, reform or no reform.

    This was played up by the Republicans when Paul Ryan(R - WI) requested that the CBO calculate the cost of health care reform with the 'doc fix' included. Of course that inflated the perceived cost of the bill, which was the purpose of Ryan's request. But the fact that the doctor Medicare pay reimbursement formula adjustment was going to be passed anyway was conveniently left out during the attacks on the bill.

    Did you notice if any of the Republican plans included the cost of the 'doc fix' in them? No they didn't. Why? Because no Democrat requested that the CBO score them with the 'doc fix' in them as Ryan had done with the health care bill. The CBO would have done so, all you have to do is request it.
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