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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    The deficit is like a cancer, that nobody wants to talk about. Even in this forum nobody wants higher taxes to pay if off.

    In the end nobody pays for the serivces that they get in America, otherwise is a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit not to explain. Maybe your all getting a free ride and are not honest to admit it?
    Our founders never envisioned a 3.8 trillion dollar govt. and debt service that soon will exceed the entire defense budget of this country. Sad state of affairs when people lose cite of their own personal responsibility and look to the govt. to provide them personal responsibility services at someone else's expense. Almost 50% of the people in this country pay no Federal Income taxes and it is sad that they expect others to pay for their own personal responsibility services.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Not one thing you mentioned could have happened in 8 months nor would anything you mentioned stopped 9/11.

    Bush didn't invade Iraq until 1 1/2 years after 9/11. Your time line is screwed up as are your comments. Didn't read the Lord Butler report I see or anything else that has been posted about world intelligence reports on Iraq.

    I had two family members serve in Iraq with one in Military intelligence. After serving two terms in Iraq he says to this day we were right in removing Saddam Hussein. David Kay apparently agreed with him.

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam" (Remarkable New Info)
    The only thing that could have stopped 9/11 was for the CIA and the FBI to talk to each other. Together, they knew who and what was going to happen. There was no nation we could have invaded, no leader we could have killed that would have stopped or prevented 9/11. And both the Bush team and the Clinton team agree with that.

    And I know when Bush invade Iraq (where do you get these silly thoughts?) which supports much of my argument. If invading stopped us from being attacked, making us safe, why weren't we attacked prior to invading during the year and a half?

    And let's talk about Kay for a minute. Was he correct about there being wmds? Seriously, did we find anything that matched the claims? And while it's nice you feel American's can decide for Iraqis what's right and worth it, we got nothing from this to justify over 100,000 lives, millions displaced, billions spent, that helped both our enemy recruit and Iran gain more power in the region. Instead of merely saying you know someone who thinks it was worth it, show gain that justifies the cost, . . . if you can.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's how elections are decided in a Republic.
    I'm getting quite tired of your little dance of fail.
    You bait and troll, don't deal directly with questions asked, then you always fall back on majority rules.

    It's lame and usually proves you don't know what your talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I've provided my personal situation that was unsustainable under the status quo.

    In addition:

    " * The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention actually reported that 54.5 million people were uninsured for at least part of the year. Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates from the National Health Interview Survey, 2006. Centers for Disease Control. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/ea...nsur200706.pdf

    * The amount of uninsured is rising every year, as premiums continue to skyrocket and wages stagnate. From 2004 to 2005 the number of uninsured rose 1.3 million, and rose up nearly 6 million from 2001-2005. Leighton Ku, "Census Revises Estimates Of The Number Of Uninsured People," Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, April 5, 2007 Census Revises Estimates of the Number of Uninsured People — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. With 44.8 uninsured in 2005, in 2007 the number will be much higher. Professors Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick, in "It's The Premiums, Stupid: Projections Of The Uninsured Through 2013," Health Affairs, 10.1377/hlthaff.w5.143, "project that the number of non-elderly uninsured Americans will grow from forty-five million in 2003 to fifty-six million by 2013." According to these authors, by now the number of non-elderly uninsured by this date clearly would be nearly 50 million."

    "According to the Institute of Medicine, "lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. Although America leads the world in spending on health care, it is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage." Insuring America's Health: Principles and Recommendations, Institute of Medicine, January 2004.
    http://www.iom.edu/?id=19175"
    MichaelMoore.com : SiCKO : Checkup on the Facts

    You have provided no "facts" that increases in restrictions and mandates have caused increases and prices.
    None of these things prove that the market was the culprit for medical cost inflation, but not only that you use suspect information that you refuse to recognize as such.

    This report details that the more the government and insurance gets between consumers and prices, costs will inflate.

    The Health Care Wedge | Prognosis for National Health Insurance Report

    This one details that more mandates increases prices.

    http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/re...ndates2009.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Dozens of countries have been rated with a better health care system for more of their people for far less cost than the US. M/M operate at an efficiency that cannot be matched in the private market. They are busting our budgets because of the unregulated rise in medical costs in the US and priority for an energy program that requires Middle East wars.

    I think the US has the capacity to act as intelligently as the rest of the developed world.
    The ratings of those countries have been shown to be non contextual and non adaptable to the U.S.
    You refuse to acknowledge this.
    If you "regulate" prices you're going to have to cut services for a lot of people.
    You can't have it both ways.

    The Middle East wars and energy policy was decided by democracy, a mandate of sorts.
    You're going to have to get enough voters together to change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not sure what you mean there. The difference I see is one between a moderate goal and a conservative reality.
    The president and congress say that want to end subsidies to insurance companies, yet they give them indirect subsidies.
    Are they being dishonest or are they ignorant?
    Why do you still support them if they are dishonest? or ignorant?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The only thing that could have stopped 9/11 was for the CIA and the FBI to talk to each other. Together, they knew who and what was going to happen. There was no nation we could have invaded, no leader we could have killed that would have stopped or prevented 9/11. And both the Bush team and the Clinton team agree with that.

    And I know when Bush invade Iraq (where do you get these silly thoughts?) which supports much of my argument. If invading stopped us from being attacked, making us safe, why weren't we attacked prior to invading during the year and a half?

    And let's talk about Kay for a minute. Was he correct about there being wmds? Seriously, did we find anything that matched the claims? And while it's nice you feel American's can decide for Iraqis what's right and worth it, we got nothing from this to justify over 100,000 lives, millions displaced, billions spent, that helped both our enemy recruit and Iran gain more power in the region. Instead of merely saying you know someone who thinks it was worth it, show gain that justifies the cost, . . . if you can.

    I see no reason to continue to debate the Iraq War 7 years after it began and with the "empty" suit we have in the WH right now. All this is amounts to a diversion from what is going on right now. The President is doing his best to reshape this country into his vision of a socialist utopia that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Thankfully it appears that the American people are waking up to who the majority elected. They voted for change that we can believe in and got change of everything we believe in.

    this President is a disaster, from domestic policy to national security. Hope we survive him.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why do you still support them if they are dishonest? or ignorant?
    Because I am a pragmatist, in that I understand they are not dishonest of ignorant. They were just too optimistic about the ability to make social progress in this country. With a conservative society as immature as that in the US, we are realistically only able to take baby steps towards social progress made in the rest of the developed world decades ago.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Our founders never envisioned a 3.8 trillion dollar govt. and debt service that soon will exceed the entire defense budget of this country.
    Well, that's debatable. They did let the federal government assume the rather huge state debt from the Revolutionary War.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because I am a pragmatist, in that I understand they are not dishonest of ignorant. They were just too optimistic about the ability to make social progress in this country. With a conservative society as immature as that in the US, we are realistically only able to take baby steps towards social progress made in the rest of the developed world decades ago.
    Social progress? What exactly does that mean and what qualifies you or Obama to define it? When are liberals ever going to recognize that their social engineering is a total and complete failure in terms of positive results but it does create a lot of victims. The more liberals try to social engineer the more victims they create. Could that be their ultimate goal? Along the way they appeal to a lot of good people, brainwash them with the thought of utopia and then destroy them by making them dependent.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Social progress? What exactly does that mean and what qualifies you or Obama to define it?
    Social progress is putting the well being of our fellow countrymen ahead of personal greed.

    And the election empowered our representatives to carry out the directive from the Constitution to promote the general welfare of the people.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because I am a pragmatist, in that I understand they are not dishonest of ignorant. They were just too optimistic about the ability to make social progress in this country. With a conservative society as immature as that in the US, we are realistically only able to take baby steps towards social progress made in the rest of the developed world decades ago.
    Are you implying that you're immature?
    You're a small c conservative.

    Your partisanship has overridden the reasoning parts of your brain.
    Oh well, I guess there may be others willing to think before they act.
    Have a nice day.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Are you implying that you're immature?
    You're a small c conservative.

    Your partisanship has overridden the reasoning parts of your brain.
    Oh well, I guess there may be others willing to think before they act.
    Have a nice day.

    Only insults? No debate? I understand your position.
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