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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Please do not pretend that this war was predicated only on wmds.
    Quite right, Cheney and his oil company friends decided two years before the invasion of Iraq, our purpose of invasion and regime change:

    "So, we come to the report’s central dilemma: the American people continue to demand plentiful and cheap energy without sacrifice or inconvenience."

    "This Independent Task Force Report outlines some of the hard choices that should be considered and recommends specific policy approaches to secure the energy future of the United States. These choices will affect other U.S. policy objectives: U.S. policy toward the Middle East...."


    "U.S. strategic energy policy must prioritize and coordinate domestic and foreign policy choices and objectives, where possible."

    "This executive summary and the full report address the following questions. What are the potential effects of the critical energy situation for the United States? How did this critical energy situation arise? What are the U.S. policy options to deal with the energy situation? What should the United States do now?"

    "it is clear that energy disruptions could have a potentially enormous impact on the U.S. and the world economy, and would affect U.S. national security and foreign policy in dramatic ways."

    "An accident on the Alaska pipeline that brings the bulk of North Slope crude oil to market would have the same impact as a revolution cutting off supplies from a major Middle East oil producer."

    "And with spare capacity scarce and Middle East tensions high, chances are greater than at any point in the last two decades of an oil supply disruption that would even more severely test the nation’s security and prosperity."

    "What are the U.S. policy options to deal with the energy situation?"

    "the United States could develop a comprehensive and balanced energy security policy with near-term actions and long-term initiatives addressing both the supply side and demand side including diversification of energy supply resources, which would enable the United States to escape from a pattern of recurring energy crises."

    "More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process."

    "For the most part, U.S. international oil policy has relied on maintenance of free access to Middle East Gulf oil and free access for Gulf exports to world markets."

    "These Gulf allies are finding their domestic and foreign policy interests increasingly at odds with U.S. strategic considerations, especially as Arab-Israeli tensions flare. They have become less inclined to lower oil prices in exchange for security of markets, and evidence suggests that investment is not being made in a timely enough manner to increase production capacity in line with growing global needs. A trend toward anti-Americanism could affect regional leaders’ ability to cooperate with the United States in the energy area."

    "The August 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait witnessed a major test of global energy security."

    " Bitter perceptions in the Arab world that the United States has not been evenhanded in brokering peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians have exacerbated these pressures on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries and given political leverage to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein to lobby for support among the Arab world’s populations."

    "A reopening of these areas to foreign investment could make a critical difference in providing surplus supplies to markets in the coming decade."

    "To guarantee that mechanisms are in place for warding off and, if necessary, for managing disruptions to energy supply."

    "The Gulf nations have one major asset—their oil and gas reserves. "

    "It is also in the strategic interest of the United States to assure that appropriate national and international mechanisms are in place to prevent disruptions in energy supplies where possible, and to manage efficiently and equitably any disruption that might occur."

    "Providing adequate safeguards, both at home and abroad, against energy supply disruptions and against manipulation of markets by any party, state or private."

    "Over the past year, Iraq has effectively become a swing producer, turning its taps on and off when it has felt such action was in its strategic interest to do so."


    "Still, the IEA must be assured of efficient joint decision-making in the event of a supply disruption under tight market conditions. This includes any possibility that Saddam Hussein may remove Iraqi oil from the market for an extended period of time..."

    "The administration needs to ensure that recent events do not derail this past success."


    "Iraq remains a destabilizing influence to U.S. allies in the Middle East, as well as to regional and global order, and to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets."

    "The United States should conduct an immediate policy review toward Iraq, including military, energy, economic, and political/diplomatic assessments."

    "Once an arms-control program is in place, the United States could consider reducing restrictions on oil investments inside Iraq. Like it or not, Iraqi reserves represent a major asset that can quickly add capacity to world oil markets and inject a more competitive tenor to oil trade."

    "Another problem with easing restrictions on the Iraqi oil industry to allow greater investment is that GCC allies of the United States will not like to see Iraq gain larger market share in international oil markets."

    "Middle East Gulf crude oil currently makes up around 25 percent of world oil supply, but could rise to 30–40 percent during the next decade as the region’s key producers pursue higher investments to capture expanding demand for oil in Asia and the developing world. If political factors were to block the development of new oil fields in the Gulf, the ramifications for world oil markets could be quite severe."

    "While there is no question that this investment is vitally important to U.S. interests, there is strong opposition to any such reopening among key segments of the Saudi and Kuwaiti populations."

    "More oil could likely be brought into the market place in the coming years if oil-field development could be enhanced by participation of U.S. companies in countries where such investments are currently banned"

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Quite right, Cheney and his oil company friends decided two years before the invasion of Iraq, our purpose of invasion and regime change:

    "So, we come to the report’s central dilemma: the American people continue to demand plentiful and cheap energy without sacrifice or inconvenience."

    "This Independent Task Force Report outlines some of the hard choices that should be considered and recommends specific policy approaches to secure the energy future of the United States. These choices will affect other U.S. policy objectives: U.S. policy toward the Middle East...."


    "U.S. strategic energy policy must prioritize and coordinate domestic and foreign policy choices and objectives, where possible."

    "This executive summary and the full report address the following questions. What are the potential effects of the critical energy situation for the United States? How did this critical energy situation arise? What are the U.S. policy options to deal with the energy situation? What should the United States do now?"

    "it is clear that energy disruptions could have a potentially enormous impact on the U.S. and the world economy, and would affect U.S. national security and foreign policy in dramatic ways."

    "An accident on the Alaska pipeline that brings the bulk of North Slope crude oil to market would have the same impact as a revolution cutting off supplies from a major Middle East oil producer."

    "And with spare capacity scarce and Middle East tensions high, chances are greater than at any point in the last two decades of an oil supply disruption that would even more severely test the nation’s security and prosperity."

    "What are the U.S. policy options to deal with the energy situation?"

    "the United States could develop a comprehensive and balanced energy security policy with near-term actions and long-term initiatives addressing both the supply side and demand side including diversification of energy supply resources, which would enable the United States to escape from a pattern of recurring energy crises."

    "More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process."

    "For the most part, U.S. international oil policy has relied on maintenance of free access to Middle East Gulf oil and free access for Gulf exports to world markets."

    "These Gulf allies are finding their domestic and foreign policy interests increasingly at odds with U.S. strategic considerations, especially as Arab-Israeli tensions flare. They have become less inclined to lower oil prices in exchange for security of markets, and evidence suggests that investment is not being made in a timely enough manner to increase production capacity in line with growing global needs. A trend toward anti-Americanism could affect regional leaders’ ability to cooperate with the United States in the energy area."

    "The August 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait witnessed a major test of global energy security."

    " Bitter perceptions in the Arab world that the United States has not been evenhanded in brokering peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians have exacerbated these pressures on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries and given political leverage to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein to lobby for support among the Arab world’s populations."

    "A reopening of these areas to foreign investment could make a critical difference in providing surplus supplies to markets in the coming decade."

    "To guarantee that mechanisms are in place for warding off and, if necessary, for managing disruptions to energy supply."

    "The Gulf nations have one major asset—their oil and gas reserves. "

    "It is also in the strategic interest of the United States to assure that appropriate national and international mechanisms are in place to prevent disruptions in energy supplies where possible, and to manage efficiently and equitably any disruption that might occur."

    "Providing adequate safeguards, both at home and abroad, against energy supply disruptions and against manipulation of markets by any party, state or private."

    "Over the past year, Iraq has effectively become a swing producer, turning its taps on and off when it has felt such action was in its strategic interest to do so."


    "Still, the IEA must be assured of efficient joint decision-making in the event of a supply disruption under tight market conditions. This includes any possibility that Saddam Hussein may remove Iraqi oil from the market for an extended period of time..."

    "The administration needs to ensure that recent events do not derail this past success."


    "Iraq remains a destabilizing influence to U.S. allies in the Middle East, as well as to regional and global order, and to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets."

    "The United States should conduct an immediate policy review toward Iraq, including military, energy, economic, and political/diplomatic assessments."

    "Once an arms-control program is in place, the United States could consider reducing restrictions on oil investments inside Iraq. Like it or not, Iraqi reserves represent a major asset that can quickly add capacity to world oil markets and inject a more competitive tenor to oil trade."

    "Another problem with easing restrictions on the Iraqi oil industry to allow greater investment is that GCC allies of the United States will not like to see Iraq gain larger market share in international oil markets."

    "Middle East Gulf crude oil currently makes up around 25 percent of world oil supply, but could rise to 30–40 percent during the next decade as the region’s key producers pursue higher investments to capture expanding demand for oil in Asia and the developing world. If political factors were to block the development of new oil fields in the Gulf, the ramifications for world oil markets could be quite severe."

    "While there is no question that this investment is vitally important to U.S. interests, there is strong opposition to any such reopening among key segments of the Saudi and Kuwaiti populations."

    "More oil could likely be brought into the market place in the coming years if oil-field development could be enhanced by participation of U.S. companies in countries where such investments are currently banned"

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES

    Here we are 7 years after the invasion of Iraq on a thread about healthcare and people like you continue to divert from anything that is against this current President to focus on topics you do not understand or simply want to ignore.

    The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 advocated regime change, Bush carried out that policy.

    After 9/11 the world changed and there were a number of reasons listed to go into Iraq in the resolution that passed the Democrat Controlled Senate.

    No matter what is posted you aren't going to buy it so instead of getting over it you are going to continue to try and relive it. I feel sorry for people like you who have such a naive approach to world affairs that carries over into domestic policy where it is better to react than be proactive on any issue.

    Nothing you posted here serves any purpose so carry on with your BDS.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Astounding!
    Thanks, so you believe the true cost of healthcare is defined by what people pay for their own individual healthcare?

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    HC can be listed under the General Welfare of society. Healthy people are more productive than sick people, thus universal HC for all, even children!

    Lets expand our system to Canada, perhaps that would lower the price per head?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    HC can be listed under the General Welfare of society. Healthy people are more productive than sick people, thus universal HC for all, even children!

    Lets expand our system to Canada, perhaps that would lower the price per head?
    More productive for whom? We have or maybe had a private sector economy thus if that is the case that healthy people are more productive than sick people then it would behoove private industry to take on that responsibility not the Federal govt.

    Healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a public responsibility and all the comments from people who support the govt. getting involved fail to recognize that. They also fail to recognize the failure of the govt. to do anyting cost effectively or effeciently yet that doesn't stop them from showing their arrogance believing we can just throw more money at the problem.

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    I see we disagree, but thats not surprising.

    One could demand that all companies provide HC for there employees. I know that many do, but not all. Then the government would be out of the HC business although the poor need a minimum coverage.

    I suggest the government set the guidlines for private HC and they can decide if the want to offer more or not. HC for workers would be tied to there wages. The more you make the more you pay. Thats solidarity with your fellow man. Conservates hate Jesus, when it means spending there money on the meek, but lifes a bitch and then you die.

    This system works in other countries more or less.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    I see we disagree, but thats not surprising.

    One could demand that all companies provide HC for there employees. I know that many do, but not all. Then the government would be out of the HC business although the poor need a minimum coverage.

    I suggest the government set the guidlines for private HC and they can decide if the want to offer more or not. HC for workers would be tied to there wages. The more you make the more you pay. Thats solidarity with your fellow man. Conservates hate Jesus, when it means spending there money on the meek, but lifes a bitch and then you die.

    This system works in other countries more or less.

    We apparently disagree on the role of the govt. in private business. Your argument is typical of someone that doesn't understand free enterprise and capitalism thus would willing destroy what made this country great.

    The govt. has no business setting private business guidelines as the govt. cannot even run their own business. We live in a country where over 85% of the people have health insurance and 100% have access to healthcare. Because of incentive and the opportunity to create wealth our economy used to be the envy of the world, that is until liberals got hold of it and began their social engineering.

    You believe healthcare works in other countries but don't know for sure thus you just spout what you are told. If you want this country to be like others then you want low economic growth, high unemployment, relatively low wages, and high taxes.

    I spent 35 years in the business world and your opinions are very naive and inaccurate. It is not the role of the govt. to provide personal responsibility programs and our founders realized that thus there is no mention of healthcare in the Constitution. What you eat, how you live, and what you drink has an affect on your healthcare. That makes healthcare a personal responsibility. I don't expect you to pay for my insurance nor do I expect to pay for yours.

    If you want to solve the healthcare problem in this country, then the current bill DOES NOT do that.

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    I accept free enterprise, but I want rules to protect the consumer and workers against exploitation.

    You have atomic energy plants in America. I understand Obama want to build two more. Who past for disposing of atomic waste and who pays when there is a meltdown and thousands of people die or the earth is contaminated?

    My guess is the taxpayer? If im right, then doesnt he have a right to cheap electricity and shouldnt the profit from these plants be reinvested in green energy and save waste disposing?
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    I accept free enterprise, but I want rules to protect the consumer and workers against exploitation.

    You have atomic energy plants in America. I understand Obama want to build two more. Who past for disposing of atomic waste and who pays when there is a meltdown and thousands of people die or the earth is contaminated?

    My guess is the taxpayer? If im right, then doesnt he have a right to cheap electricity and shouldnt the profit from these plants be reinvested in green energy and save waste disposing?
    No, you want selective free enterprise thus the cafeteria approach to free enterprise. You also ignore all the regulations that businesses operate under today many of which drive up the true costs of healthcare.

    The taxpayer pays for everything the govt. does and so far has funded the massive waste, fraud, and abuse there yet many want to expand their role into healthcare. That is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting a different result.

    The largest employer in the nation is the govt. and it currently is a 3.8 trillion dollar govt. today. Where is the outrage? Too many people today ignore that reality and willingly give them more control and support the massive growth in size.

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    The deficit is like a cancer, that nobody wants to talk about. Even in this forum nobody wants higher taxes to pay if off.

    In the end nobody pays for the serivces that they get in America, otherwise is a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit not to explain. Maybe your all getting a free ride and are not honest to admit it?
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