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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Aw, give me a break, Bush was in office 8 months when 9/11 happened and Clinton had been in office 6 years when he got the memo. Stop showing your true liberal ignorance. Within the law what could Bush have done in those 8 months? Your total ignorance of the law is quite telling.

    Only a liberal believes Saddam Hussein and his evil sons in charge would have created less harm than removing him.
    He still got the memo and took no action. Can't change the facts to suit you.

    And yes, removing Saddam cost at least 100,000 lives, displaced millions, put Christians under persecution who were not before, helped Iran, helped our enemies (who wanted Saddam overthrown). Remember, it was to appease the Shia, who are now in charge, that Saddam send money to Palestine to rebuild the homes of the families of suicide bombers. So, while I won't defend Saddam, let's not pretend we brought paradise to Iraq or helped ourselves much at all.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't confuse things. Not putting the country through the fight charges would bring doesn't mean Bush wasn't wrong. The facts show that.
    The facts show a lot of people wrong in this country and around the world. The facts also will show that removing Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do and the world is better off without him.

    The reason that the Democrats didn't bring charges is because they know what a trial would prove and they would rather have the issue and people like you than the actual facts presented. I would have loved to have watched the trial.

    Read the Lord Butler Report and get back to me.

    http://www.archive2.official-documen.../hc898/898.pdf

    Then there is this

    Myths of Iraq War
    TheReligionofPeace - Top Iraqi War Myths

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He still got the memo and took no action. Can't change the facts to suit you.

    And yes, removing Saddam cost at least 100,000 lives, displaced millions, put Christians under persecution who were not before, helped Iran, helped our enemies (who wanted Saddam overthrown). Remember, it was to appease the Shia, who are now in charge, that Saddam send money to Palestine to rebuild the homes of the families of suicide bombers. So, while I won't defend Saddam, let's not pretend we brought paradise to Iraq or helped ourselves much at all.
    Ok, smart guy tell me what Bush could have done under the law? You simply haven't a clue.

    After a close election and the legal challenges what do you think the public would have done had Bush shutdown the airports and prevent 9/11. How could he prove he prevented 9/11? Shutting down the airports would have been perceived as a political ploy to detract from the "stolen" election.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Ok, smart guy tell me what Bush could have done under the law? You simply haven't a clue.

    After a close election and the legal challenges what do you think the public would have done had Bush shutdown the airports and prevent 9/11. How could he prove he prevented 9/11? Shutting down the airports would have been perceived as a political ploy to detract from the "stolen" election.
    He did not have to invade any country. From day one he could have taken the memo seriously. Argued for breaking down the walls between the CIA and the FBI. That was really all that needed to be done to help keep us safe.

    But, he could have used the good will 9/11 gave us to actually build partnerships that would limit Al Qaeda's effectiveness and quietly gone after them, not allowing them to use our over reaction against us, thus reducing recruits and training they gained in fighting us in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Being smart and cool is not a vise. Being reckless and stupid is.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He did not have to invade any country. From day one he could have taken the memo seriously. Argued for breaking down the walls between the CIA and the FBI. That was really all that needed to be done to help keep us safe.

    But, he could have used the good will 9/11 gave us to actually build partnerships that would limit Al Qaeda's effectiveness and quietly gone after them, not allowing them to use our over reaction against us, thus reducing recruits and training they gained in fighting us in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Being smart and cool is not a vise. Being reckless and stupid is.
    You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Not one thing you mentioned could have happened in 8 months nor would anything you mentioned stopped 9/11.

    Bush didn't invade Iraq until 1 1/2 years after 9/11. Your time line is screwed up as are your comments. Didn't read the Lord Butler report I see or anything else that has been posted about world intelligence reports on Iraq.

    I had two family members serve in Iraq with one in Military intelligence. After serving two terms in Iraq he says to this day we were right in removing Saddam Hussein. David Kay apparently agreed with him.

    Kay on Today: "It Was Absolutely Prudent to Go to War Against Saddam" (Remarkable New Info)

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    I was thrilled to see Saddam removed from power. He was an evil dictator.

    The question is whether it was in U.S. vital interests to do so. There are lots of dictators and evil regimes out there, yet we don't spend money and lives removing them all. Why Iraq?

    The war was sold to us as a necessity to protect us from WMDs - not to liberate the people of Iraq. That justification came after the fact, once it was clear there were no WMDs.

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    I love the expert after the fact analysis going on here...just remove the wall between FBI and CIA, that's all that was needed. Instead, Bush started a war. Hysterical, if not downright foolish. That wall was the creation of the Clinton administration explicitly to prevent foreign intelligence from tainting domestic criminal prosecutions. Clinton made that choice. Bush wasn't going to change that in mere months, just as Obama wasn't going to change Gitmo, Iraq, etc. in mere months despite his explicit promises.

    And the PDB...are you people serious? This ain't a serious point. Bush was supposed to what? Take a generalized threat assessment that had been floating around for years and...well?

    And can someone please post something resembling evidence that that universal health care systems are less costly, provide improved care, and provide truly universal coverage. Seems some posters are content with spouting it but bring nothign to the table.

    And...how is measuring whether everyone has coverage a proper metric for comparing health care service models? Universal care systems don't cover everyone anyway...just ask the 15,000 French that died during a mild heatwave, or the Canadians traveling to Detroit, NYC, Portland, etc for treatment, those Brits denied care by their so-called NICE people.

    We spend a lot have far anbd away better health care outcomes. Sure, liberal ninnies focus on infant mortality, life expectancy which are wholly improper measures of health system efficacy.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I was thrilled to see Saddam removed from power. He was an evil dictator.

    The question is whether it was in U.S. vital interests to do so. There are lots of dictators and evil regimes out there, yet we don't spend money and lives removing them all. Why Iraq?

    The war was sold to us as a necessity to protect us from WMDs - not to liberate the people of Iraq. That justification came after the fact, once it was clear there were no WMDs.
    Oh, please, lie much?

    Clinton declared regime change US national security policy on 1998. Bush pushed for the war on four bases: wmd and wmd development (which every western intelligence agency agreed Saddam possessed and intended to continue developing); support for terrorism; continued violation of UN resolutions; and humanitarian grounds, including liberating the Iraqi people.

    Bush spoke about this on October 7, 2002 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Not, as you falsely claim, either deliberately or ignorantly, after no wmds were found.

    Please do not pretend that this war was predicated only on wmds.

    Bush made the case that Iraq posed a unique threat given those four facts. Don't pretend otherwise.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    It may lower what people pay but that doesn't lower actual costs.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Nobody can sink HC unless we offer less.

    People live too long, which increases their cost. Only the very rich could afford to cover these cost alone.

    Medicine continues to sky rocket. How can we stop this development. Not every new medicine is really better

    new methods in medicine ie heart surgery continue to sky rocket. Consumers want the best medicine possible, but nobody can afford this. So whats the anser?

    HC must either offer less, or your taxpayers dollars must close the gap.
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    Republicanism is just another word for remaining selfish and ego-centric!

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