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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So? They were wrong too.
    However, some of these quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them - several of these quotes were offered in course of statements that clearly indicate the speaker was decidedly against unilateral intervention in Iraq.


    snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Taken out of context is the argument that liberals use all the time. Had they been really taken out of context the Democrats would have impeached Bush for lying. They didn't and that says it all.
    Taking out of context is lying. No way around it. It's a dishonest effort to make something seem like something it isn't. That's dishonest.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However, some of these quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them - several of these quotes were offered in course of statements that clearly indicate the speaker was decidedly against unilateral intervention in Iraq.


    snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes
    I'm not surprised in the least - I was just noting that even if they were accurate, they're completely irrelevant to this debate anyway. Like about 75% of what Conservative posts.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Unfortunately you have so much faith in the Federal Govt. solving an individual responsibility item. What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is and what is it exactly in this bill that improves the quality of healthcare and the quantity of doctors to meet the increased demand?
    The health of our people is no lesser a federal responsibility than is their safety. The Constitution says to promote the general welfare. This bill makes provides more accessibility to health care for our people, and focuses on preventative measures to improve health and lower future medical costs.

    This is the first step towards what you really want, a single payer system, which for some reason you believe will create the utopia that liberals are advertising. In spite of the single payer SS and Medicare system being broke this time it will be different, right?

    This massive increase in the size of govt. is unsustainable and for some reason doesn't resonate with you. Why? Who pays for this debt being generated? Name for me one social program run well by the Federal Govt?
    No utopia, just a single payer health care system like the rest of the developed world. I'm convinced that American's have the capacity to manage a health care system as well as the rest of the developed world

    Yes, we may need to scale back on unnecessary wars and tax cuts for the wealthy.
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Taking out of context is lying. No way around it. It's a dishonest effort to make something seem like something it isn't. That's dishonest.
    What I see are politicians that aren't addressing those statements nor am I seeing politicians taking action over those so called lies that you blame Bush for. Where were the impeachment charges? Not surprised that you ignore that reality.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Catawba;1058665210]The health of our people is no lesser a federal responsibility than is their safety. The Constitution says to promote the general welfare. This bill makes provides more accessibility to health care for our people, and focuses on preventative measures to improve health and lower future medical costs.
    Promoting the General welfare means just that, provide an environment that improves individual lives. This legislation or any govt. social engineering program doesn't improve individual lives but it does create dependence. You cannot add another 30 million patients without increasing the infrastructure to handle those patients. Like all you apparently are incapable of looking at the big picture nor have you addressed the true costs of healthcare. It is much easier blaming private business instead of the true entity that causes most of the problems.


    No utopia, just a single payer health care system like the rest of the developed world. I'm convinced that American's have the capacity to manage a health care system as well as the rest of the developed world
    Do you want the same wages, quality of life, R&D as the rest of the world? You buy the numbers posted without getting into the numbers. We have a private sector economy that is the envy of the world yet it never satisfies liberals, why?

    I don't understand people like you who buy what you are told and ignore history. This nation is made up of 50 individual states that you want to regulate and manage from a national level. You believe it can be done, show me where it has ever been done with regard to individual responsibility issues and done at a lower cost than private industry can generate.

    Yes, we may need to scale back on unnecessary wars and tax cuts for the wealthy.
    The cost of the war in Iraq is 100 billion dollar per year out of a 3 plus trillion dollar budget. 9/11 cost this country over a trillion dollars. Would you spend 100 billion to save a trillion? Doubt I will get an answer from you or anyone else who believes the role of the govt. is different than the original intent.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Promoting the General welfare means just that, provide an environment that improves individual lives.
    Exactly!

    Do you want the same wages, quality of life, R&D as the rest of the world?
    No, I want a health care system that is run more efficiently for more people, and still provides for an equal or greater level of health care, just like in the rest of the developed world.

    You buy the numbers posted without getting into the numbers. We have a private sector economy that is the envy of the world yet it never satisfies liberals, why?
    It seems liberals are more interested in social justice than personal greed. Go figure!

    You believe it can be done, show me where it has ever been done with regard to individual responsibility issues and done at a lower cost than private industry can generate.
    Just look at all of the rest of the developed world!


    The cost of the war in Iraq is 100 billion dollar per year out of a 3 plus trillion dollar budget. 9/11 cost this country over a trillion dollars. Would you spend 100 billion to save a trillion? Doubt I will get an answer from you or anyone else who believes the role of the govt. is different than the original intent.
    In 2008, our price tag for our wars on terror had already reached $3 trillion dollars.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3419840.ece

    9/11 did not happen because they outspent us. Hell, we let them use our own planes!
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    [quote=Catawba;1058665351]Exactly!



    No, I want a health care system that is run more efficiently for more people, and still provides for an equal or greater level of health care, just like in the rest of the developed world.
    Then why would you expect that from the govt? Since you seem to want what the rest of the world has does that include wages and quality of life? Do you want their tax structure? Also please tell me why if their healthcare is so good that people from around the world come here for healthcare treatments?


    It seems liberals are more interested in social justice than personal greed. Go figure!
    What liberals want to do is define social justice, define what is fair, define what people should make, and how they should act, all with their own power in mind. Have you ever heard or seen a liberal touting the greatness of this country and its people? Without victims no one needs a liberal.


    Just look at all of the rest of the developed world!
    Yet leaders of those developed countries come here for treatment, why?



    In 2008, our price tag for our wars on terror had already reached $3 trillion dollars.
    The three trillion dollar war | Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes - Times Online
    Better tell that to the U.S. Treasury Dept. How would the UK know what the cost of the wars are? By the way, Obama has increased the defense budget over what Bush spent.

    9/11 did not happen because they outspent us. Hell, we let them use our own planes!
    9/11 happened because of political correctness and was building throughout the 90's when we didn't finish the job in the Gulf War. In December 1998 Clinton was warned about a potential terrorist attack using our own planes. How quickly people forget

    PDB 12/4/1998, Subject: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks The 9/11 Commission Report | 7/22/04 | CIA

    The following is the text of an item from the Presidential Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.

    SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

    1.Reporting suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ‘Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options—perhaps including an aircraft hijacking. • IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the “next couple of weeks” to free ‘Abd al- Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Bush got the same memo and did the same thing. However, you would be interested to no neither Bush, his people or Clinton and his people believe killing OBL would have prevented 9/11. Nor do any of them argue invading any country would have prevented it. In fact, the only argument concerning preventing it was that the CIA and the FBI had to talk to each other. A simple solution. And a much less deadly and costly one. Bush really, really over reacted and caused more harm than good.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush got the same memo and did the same thing. However, you would be interested to no neither Bush, his people or Clinton and his people believe killing OBL would have prevented 9/11. Nor do any of them argue invading any country would have prevented it. In fact, the only argument concerning preventing it was that the CIA and the FBI had to talk to each other. A simple solution. And a much less deadly and costly one. Bush really, really over reacted and caused more harm than good.
    Aw, give me a break, Bush was in office 8 months when 9/11 happened and Clinton had been in office 6 years when he got the memo. Stop showing your true liberal ignorance. Within the law what could Bush have done in those 8 months? Your total ignorance of the law is quite telling.

    Only a liberal believes Saddam Hussein and his evil sons in charge would have created less harm than removing him.

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