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    In the process they turned their backs on our military and the average American citizen as they gave aid to our enemies.
    You're calling people traitors now. That's a very serious accusation. You really ought to make it to their faces. I dare you.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's how elections are decided in a Republic.



    I've provided my personal situation that was unsustainable under the status quo.

    In addition:

    " * The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention actually reported that 54.5 million people were uninsured for at least part of the year. Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates from the National Health Interview Survey, 2006. Centers for Disease Control. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/ea...nsur200706.pdf

    * The amount of uninsured is rising every year, as premiums continue to skyrocket and wages stagnate. From 2004 to 2005 the number of uninsured rose 1.3 million, and rose up nearly 6 million from 2001-2005. Leighton Ku, "Census Revises Estimates Of The Number Of Uninsured People," Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, April 5, 2007 Census Revises Estimates of the Number of Uninsured People — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. With 44.8 uninsured in 2005, in 2007 the number will be much higher. Professors Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick, in "It's The Premiums, Stupid: Projections Of The Uninsured Through 2013," Health Affairs, 10.1377/hlthaff.w5.143, "project that the number of non-elderly uninsured Americans will grow from forty-five million in 2003 to fifty-six million by 2013." According to these authors, by now the number of non-elderly uninsured by this date clearly would be nearly 50 million."

    "According to the Institute of Medicine, "lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. Although America leads the world in spending on health care, it is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage." Insuring America's Health: Principles and Recommendations, Institute of Medicine, January 2004.
    http://www.iom.edu/?id=19175"
    MichaelMoore.com : SiCKO : Checkup on the Facts

    You have provided no "facts" that increases in restrictions and mandates have caused increases and prices.



    Dozens of countries have been rated with a better health care system for more of their people for far less cost than the US. M/M operate at an efficiency that cannot be matched in the private market. They are busting our budgets because of the unregulated rise in medical costs in the US and priority for an energy program that requires Middle East wars.

    I think the US has the capacity to act as intelligently as the rest of the developed world.




    Not sure what you mean there. The difference I see is one between a moderate goal and a conservative reality.
    Unfortunately you have so much faith in the Federal Govt. solving an individual responsibility item. What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is and what is it exactly in this bill that improves the quality of healthcare and the quantity of doctors to meet the increased demand?

    This is the first step towards what you really want, a single payer system, which for some reason you believe will create the utopia that liberals are advertising. In spite of the single payer SS and Medicare system being broke this time it will be different, right?

    This massive increase in the size of govt. is unsustainable and for some reason doesn't resonate with you. Why? Who pays for this debt being generated? Name for me one social program run well by the Federal Govt?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Yes, they let Bush decide and when he decided they supported it until it went south and then for political reasons they turned on the President and with the help of the media did their best to destroy Bush ignoring their responsibility to the country.

    In the process they turned their backs on our military and the average American citizen as they gave aid to our enemies. "The War is Lost" Harry Reid along with the other Democrat Opportunists in Congress were more concerned about regaining the WH than doing their job for the American people. We are paying the consequences for that type of "leadership" today.
    I remember Kerry stating clearing he would oppose the president if he went to war without the UN. In other words, he state up front where he drew the line. I suppose that doesn't matter when you make you determination about doing things simply for political reasons?

    Blind support has always helped tyrants do terrible things. The claim that we must allow the president to spend young lives, our sons and daughters, as he pleases, with no justification, logic or accountability, and those who demand that are traitors is skewed to say the least. Bush betrayed his oath of office by spending these lives without just cause. He betrayed the troops in doing so. So, your claim rings hallow to me.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I remember Kerry stating clearing he would oppose the president if he went to war without the UN. In other words, he state up front where he drew the line. I suppose that doesn't matter when you make you determination about doing things simply for political reasons?

    Blind support has always helped tyrants do terrible things. The claim that we must allow the president to spend young lives, our sons and daughters, as he pleases, with no justification, logic or accountability, and those who demand that are traitors is skewed to say the least. Bush betrayed his oath of office by spending these lives without just cause. He betrayed the troops in doing so. So, your claim rings hallow to me.

    Look, nothing is going to change your mind about the reasons for going to war and you will continue to ignore all the quotes of Democrats during the Clinton years, the Iraq Liberation Act, as well as those during the early part of the Bush Administration. Doesn't matter to you nor does it matter now other than to divert from the reality we faced at the time.

    So let me get this straight, you believe that there was blind support for Bush during his term but no blind support now for the Obama agenda? You are allowing this President to spend U.S. Treasure on a failed ideology that does nothing to solve the problems with healthcare other than increasing access to an infrastructure that not capable of handling that increase nor does it do anything to lower costs. There is no justification for this but that doesn't stop you and others from promoting it.

    GW Bush did what he thought was right and history will be the judge. History has already judged what Obama is doing as we have results of Federal social engineering, high debt, ineffeciency, and massive growth of the federal bureaucracy.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    History has already judged what Obama is doing as we have results of Federal social engineering, high debt, ineffeciency, and massive growth of the federal bureaucracy.
    No, YOU have already judged him (pre-judged him). History doesn't jump to wild conclusions like you do. History will take a few more years at least.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Look, nothing is going to change your mind about the reasons for going to war and you will continue to ignore all the quotes of Democrats during the Clinton years, the Iraq Liberation Act, as well as those during the early part of the Bush Administration. Doesn't matter to you nor does it matter now other than to divert from the reality we faced at the time.

    So let me get this straight, you believe that there was blind support for Bush during his term but no blind support now for the Obama agenda? You are allowing this President to spend U.S. Treasure on a failed ideology that does nothing to solve the problems with healthcare other than increasing access to an infrastructure that not capable of handling that increase nor does it do anything to lower costs. There is no justification for this but that doesn't stop you and others from promoting it.

    GW Bush did what he thought was right and history will be the judge. History has already judged what Obama is doing as we have results of Federal social engineering, high debt, ineffeciency, and massive growth of the federal bureaucracy.
    History can't change the facts. Saddam did not attack us, wasn't working with Al Qaeda, did not have wmds. Nor was there any real reason to believe he was a threat that required invasion. History can't change that.

    And Obama has only been president for a little while. Even I gave Bush longer than this.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    History can't change the facts. Saddam did not attack us, wasn't working with Al Qaeda, did not have wmds. Nor was there any real reason to believe he was a threat that required invasion. History can't change that.

    And Obama has only been president for a little while. Even I gave Bush longer than this.
    Nor can history change these facts:

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

    As for giving Obama a chance, his agenda does not warrant that support as his spending has made the problems in this country worse not better as it promotes govt. and special interest groups not the private sector.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Look that up on Snopes and you find that those comments were taken out of context and at a time before it was determined otherwise. Being dishonest is not being factual.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nor can history change these facts:

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source.
    So? They were wrong too.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Look that up on Snopes and you find that those comments were taken out of context and at a time before it was determined otherwise. Being dishonest is not being factual.
    Taken out of context is the argument that liberals use all the time. Had they been really taken out of context the Democrats would have impeached Bush for lying. They didn't and that says it all.

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