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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    How do you know it is a small problem, cite your source? Costs have not been addressed in this bill, only perceived corporate profits. Nothing in this bill lowers the cost of healthcare which will continue to rise.
    I know because people are being seen and there is nothing to suggest they won't continue to be. No more people will get sick now than in the past. Like the doctor said in the link I gave you, he expected some more business, but that he was going to have a net gain to the good overall.

    As for lowering the costs, you only seeing the part you want to see. It is quite possible that with more people insured, less using the ER and other services without a payer, that there will be less need to mark up prices and pass the cost on to you and your provider. That could possibly reduce costs in the long run.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    I know because people are being seen and there is nothing to suggest they won't continue to be. No more people will get sick now than in the past. Like the doctor said in the link I gave you, he expected some more business, but that he was going to have a net gain to the good overall.

    As for lowering the costs, you only seeing the part you want to see. It is quite possible that with more people insured, less using the ER and other services without a payer, that there will be less need to mark up prices and pass the cost on to you and your provider. That could possibly reduce costs in the long run.

    Possibly? Quite possible? Try thinking for a change. Why are the insured using the ER's now? We currently have the children's healthcare program, Medicare and Medicaid, and now another entitlement program. So adding another entitlement program possibly could lower healthcare costs? Why are you ignoring the history of govt. social engineering?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know because people are being seen and there is nothing to suggest they won't continue to be. No more people will get sick now than in the past. Like the doctor said in the link I gave you, he expected some more business, but that he was going to have a net gain to the good overall.

    As for lowering the costs, you only seeing the part you want to see. It is quite possible that with more people insured, less using the ER and other services without a payer, that there will be less need to mark up prices and pass the cost on to you and your provider. That could possibly reduce costs in the long run.
    And if, by chance, that DOES happen, you can bet they will find a way to give the GOP credit for it.

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    And if, by chance, that DOES happen, you can bet they will find a way to give the GOP credit for it.
    That goes without saying.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    Possibly? Quite possible? Try thinking for a change. Why are the insured using the ER's now? We currently have the children's healthcare program, Medicare and Medicaid, and now another entitlement program. So adding another entitlement program possibly could lower healthcare costs? Why are you ignoring the history of govt. social engineering?
    People without insurance aren't seen at doctors offices because they won't see you without ability to pay. And many fall in a place where they don't have insurance but don't qualify for assistance. So, there isn't any new entitlement program here. There is no public option. All that was done was open up medicaid to take more people and required everyone to have insurance. And a few more regulations. But no public option; no single payer.

    And again, no one is ignoring anything. Merely pointing out your factual errors.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People without insurance aren't seen at doctors offices because they won't see you without ability to pay. And many fall in a place where they don't have insurance but don't qualify for assistance. So, there isn't any new entitlement program here. There is no public option. All that was done was open up medicaid to take more people and required everyone to have insurance. And a few more regulations. But no public option; no single payer.

    And again, no one is ignoring anything. Merely pointing out your factual errors.
    Here seems to be a problem that you refuse to acknowledge. Better wake up to reality!

    Robert Samuelson:

    The uninsured, it’s said, use emergency rooms for primary care. That’s expensive and ineffective. Once they’re insured, they’ll have regular doctors. Care will improve; costs will decline. Everyone wins. Great argument. Unfortunately, it’s untrue. A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83 percent of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was “more convenient” to go to the emergency room or they couldn’t “get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed.” … Medicare’s introduction in 1966 produced no reduction in mortality; some studies of extensions of Medicaid for children didn’t find gains.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here seems to be a problem that you refuse to acknowledge. Better wake up to reality!

    Robert Samuelson:

    The uninsured, it’s said, use emergency rooms for primary care. That’s expensive and ineffective. Once they’re insured, they’ll have regular doctors. Care will improve; costs will decline. Everyone wins. Great argument. Unfortunately, it’s untrue. A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83 percent of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was “more convenient” to go to the emergency room or they couldn’t “get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed.” … Medicare’s introduction in 1966 produced no reduction in mortality; some studies of extensions of Medicaid for children didn’t find gains.
    After hours most often. Still, at least they pay. The uninsured don't pay. They are the larger problem.

    Do you have a link to this?

    BY the way, from the foundation you cite:

    When the Foundation opened its doors as a national philanthropy almost 40 years ago, it appeared that coverage for all Americans was right around the corner. After all that time, it looks like this is the year that our nation finally rounds that corner to confront the huge task of providing coverage for 32 million more Americans head on. The new law meets core principles for coverage set down by the Foundation and offers the country the opportunity to improve the health of our people.

    http://www.rwjf.org/healthreform/product.jsp?id=58688
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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    After hours most often. Still, at least they pay. The uninsured don't pay. They are the larger problem.

    Do you have a link to this?

    BY the way, from the foundation you cite:

    When the Foundation opened its doors as a national philanthropy almost 40 years ago, it appeared that coverage for all Americans was right around the corner. After all that time, it looks like this is the year that our nation finally rounds that corner to confront the huge task of providing coverage for 32 million more Americans head on. The new law meets core principles for coverage set down by the Foundation and offers the country the opportunity to improve the health of our people.

    A Major Step Forward for Better Health and Health Care - RWJF
    So let me see if I have this correct, adding 30 millions to the insurance roles is going to change this? Now that is funny and out of touch with reality.

    The illegals and insured using the ER's is more of a problem than the uninsured using ER's and adding 30 million plus to this program makes it worse. Has logic and common sense ever entered into your mind?

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

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    So let me see if I have this correct, adding 30 millions to the insurance roles is going to change this? Now that is funny and out of touch with reality.

    The illegals and insured using the ER's is more of a problem than the uninsured using ER's and adding 30 million plus to this program makes it worse. Has logic and common sense ever entered into your mind?
    Well, check this out:

    Why It Matters: In most cases, uncompensated care is provided to people without insurance. One estimate pegged the amount of uncompensated care given to uninsured people in America at more than $50 billion a year. Government underwrites more than $40 billion of it through Medicare and Medicaid Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments and other means.

    Health-policy experts have argued that failing to enact reform would have led to greater levels of uncompensated care, perhaps even double the amount. Conversely, analysts have estimated that by insuring tens of millions more people, reform will dramatically decrease uncompensated care—and thus provide substantial spending offsets for federal and state governments.

    Indeed, the final reform bill signed by President Obama reduces Medicare DSH payments by 75 percent and then begins adjusting them based on the percentage of the population uninsured and the amount of uncompensated care provided. Medicaid DSH payments are set to be reduced, too.

    Health Reform Galaxy Blog

    Again, from the group you cited.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, check this out:

    Why It Matters: In most cases, uncompensated care is provided to people without insurance. One estimate pegged the amount of uncompensated care given to uninsured people in America at more than $50 billion a year. Government underwrites more than $40 billion of it through Medicare and Medicaid Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments and other means.

    Health-policy experts have argued that failing to enact reform would have led to greater levels of uncompensated care, perhaps even double the amount. Conversely, analysts have estimated that by insuring tens of millions more people, reform will dramatically decrease uncompensated care—and thus provide substantial spending offsets for federal and state governments.

    Indeed, the final reform bill signed by President Obama reduces Medicare DSH payments by 75 percent and then begins adjusting them based on the percentage of the population uninsured and the amount of uncompensated care provided. Medicaid DSH payments are set to be reduced, too.

    Health Reform Galaxy Blog

    Again, from the group you cited.

    I have asked you and you ignored the question, show me where the govt. has ever lowered cost and improved quality of any social engineering program. Theory never generates results because it doesn't and cannot address human behavior.

    We have a roadmap of how Universal Healthcare will work, MA. Keep ignoring the results there just like you ignore the ER usage, doctor shortage all because you believe what you are told by liberals whose sole source of power comes from people like you.

    Is human behavior ever going to play a role in your decision making process? Heathcare is an individual responsibility and affected by what you consume and how you live.

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