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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I doubt that. There is no nanny government. That's kool aid stuff. Nearly all industry have standards they have to adhere to. This is no different.

    Your last statement is a tad distrubing. Do you have problems with the poor?
    No, I was being sarcastic, for the most part.

    I don't have problems with the poor. But I do view being poor as no excuse to leverage the government for goods and services you wouldn't otherwise be able to afford.

    And yes, it is nanny government. I don't like the mandate, which it by it's nature is nanny government, and the restrictions it will place on choice. I don't like the idea of the government being involved at all, actually. I just think this is going to turn into another big, bureaucratic nightmare for everyone involved and it's gonna be a sink hole of money we don't have. I don't, for one minute, believe that you can expand a program like this and have it still be budget neutral.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I was being sarcastic, for the most part.

    I don't have problems with the poor. But I do view being poor as no excuse to leverage the government for goods and services you wouldn't otherwise be able to afford.

    And yes, it is nanny government. I don't like the mandate, which it by it's nature is nanny government, and the restrictions it will place on choice. I don't like the idea of the government being involved at all, actually. I just think this is going to turn into another big, bureaucratic nightmare for everyone involved and it's gonna be a sink hole of money we don't have. I don't, for one minute, believe that you can expand a program like this and have it still be budget neutral.
    There are more than a few mandates in our lives. From having to have auto insurance to drive, to food having to be inspected, to emissions regulations to signing up for selective service. This is really no different than those things.

    We have a problem. You are right now today paying for people who are uninsured. You are paying in terms of higher premiums which have raised consistently for years, and for less service. You pay in prices for services (like a $16.04 bandaid at your hospital). You pay by seeing business lose in competition to companies in foreign countries who have a universal insurer and don't have it linked to their employers. You cannot really pay more than you are now. You just don't see the cost. Not as up front as you should. If you did, you'd be mad as hell and not so inclined to think this was a huge change for the worse.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are more than a few mandates in our lives. From having to have auto insurance to drive, to food having to be inspected, to emissions regulations to signing up for selective service. This is really no different than those things.

    We have a problem. You are right now today paying for people who are uninsured. You are paying in terms of higher premiums which have raised consistently for years, and for less service. You pay in prices for services (like a $16.04 bandaid at your hospital). You pay by seeing business lose in competition to companies in foreign countries who have a universal insurer and don't have it linked to their employers. You cannot really pay more than you are now. You just don't see the cost. Not as up front as you should. If you did, you'd be mad as hell and not so inclined to think this was a huge change for the worse.
    Nor are you seeing how this will bankrupt the country in terms of yet more entitlement spending.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Nor are you seeing how this will bankrupt the country in terms of yet more entitlement spending.
    It's bankrupting us now. that's what's missing in your interpretation. Not to mention helping in the loss of business in this country.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's bankrupting us now. that's what's missing in your interpretation. Not to mention helping in the loss of business in this country.
    For the economically challenged!!! the formula for a thriving private sector is simple: Cut spending across the board, lower taxes, and eliminate onerous business regulations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    For the economically challenged!!! the formula for a thriving private sector is simple: Cut spending across the board, lower taxes, and eliminate onerous business regulations.
    Deregulation contributed to a lot of the problems we have now. Regulations often serve a real purpose. Think about that tainted peanut butter we ran into a while back, not to mention the entire housing, banking Wallstreet matter.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Deregulation contributed to a lot of the problems we have now. Regulations often serve a real purpose. Think about that tainted peanut butter we ran into a while back, not to mention the entire housing, banking Wallstreet matter.
    New York State is a shining example of a private sector economy choked off by high taxes and onerous regulations. do you really want that for the entire country??


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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are more than a few mandates in our lives. From having to have auto insurance to drive,
    But you are not required to drive.

    to food having to be inspected,
    Hardly any of the food I ate growing up was inspected unless it was by my family when we harvested or killed it.

    to emissions regulations
    Again, no one requires you to drive.

    to signing up for selective service.
    Don't much care for that one either but that's beside the point.

    This is really no different than those things.
    It most certainly is different than those things. It is a mandate that you buy a private industry product for simply breathing in the US.

    We have a problem.
    We don't have a problem. Ghetto babies without insurance might have a problem, but I don't have that problem.

    You are right now today paying for people who are uninsured. You are paying in terms of higher premiums which have raised consistently for years, and for less service. You pay in prices for services (like a $16.04 bandaid at your hospital). You pay by seeing business lose in competition to companies in foreign countries who have a universal insurer and don't have it linked to their employers. You cannot really pay more than you are now. You just don't see the cost. Not as up front as you should. If you did, you'd be mad as hell and not so inclined to think this was a huge change for the worse.
    I am comfortable and even happy with the service for cost ratio I experience now. What I am angry about is how I am about to be responsible for others and their care.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    New York State is a shining example of a private sector economy choked off by high taxes and onerous regulations. do you really want that for the entire country??
    If you say so. I don't live there. That said, you may well be reading it wrong. For the nation, we will need to both cut spending and raise taxes to reduce the debt. Until we do that, no significant progress will be made on the deficit.

    If we successfully get a handle on our health care problem, and I don't believe we have yet, we can see a real reduction on the cost of health care in this country, which will in turn reduce the debt. More work is needed to reach that point, but there is no chance of that if we don't move forward.

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    Re: New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Hardly any of the food I ate growing up was inspected unless it was by my family when we harvested or killed it.
    And food poisoning was rampant back then.

    Again, no one requires you to drive.
    Nobody requires you to live either, or be healthy.

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