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BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

Pfft. They couldn't even make their people happy because, by your logic, they did a half ass job with what they did manage to do.

No, I think most Republicans are pretty happy with our guys right now for standing in opposition to this gross violation of federal authority. We'll definitely find out in November this year. ;)

Well...you have to admit that part of that is because the Democratic party is much more broad than the Republican party.

Republicans may be happy with the childish tactics that the Republicans are engaging in, in much the same way that they were happy and cheering on the teabaggers in their childish behavior....and in much the same way as the Republicans have engaged in heckling and other childish behavior.

I agree...we will definitely find out in November. I just wouldn't expect too much if I were you. November is a long way off and the election is going to turn much more on the state of the economy than it is on anything else.
With the economy improving, I suspect that the HUGE gains that some of you are expecting, are not going to materialize. But as you said...we shall see. ;)
 
"It is the Democrats that are doing the work of the people."

YEP all 23%... who are in favor of this clusterfluck....

I've heard of revisionist history... now we're in a whole new ballpark, and the name of the new ballpark is the Grand Delusion!
 
Well...you have to admit that part of that is because the Democratic party is much more broad than the Republican party.

I know. They have managed to convince a broad variance of the population that they are victims and need the democratic party to continue perpetuating victim entitlements.

Republicans may be happy with the childish tactics that the Republicans are engaging in,

It is not childish to stand up for our rights as they are being promised away to everyone who can claim any kind of victimhood imaginable.

in much the same way that they were happy and cheering on the teabaggers in their childish behavior....

I am not even going to answer your shrill vulgarity in this.

and in much the same way as the Republicans have engaged in heckling and other childish behavior.

Link it or it didn't happen.

I agree...we will definitely find out in November. I just wouldn't expect too much if I were you.

I imagine having low expectations is the democrat way, but I have higher standards, thankyouverymuch.

November is a long way off and the election is going to turn much more on the state of the economy than it is on anything else.

True...and Obama has categorically failed on that front, so far.

With the economy improving, I suspect that the HUGE gains that some of you are expecting, are not going to materialize. But as you said...we shall see. ;)

If your wishes were nickels, you'd be rich.
 
LOL!

you see?

the "support" offered around here FOR OBAMA is pathetic

TWENTY POINTS in the KEYSTONE STATE!

TWENTY POINTS in the WOLVERINE!

the STATE ASSEMBLIES turning deep, dark red, all across america!

State polls show gathering storm - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

so, let's sum up:

1. we've got senate seats from nevada to north dakota to pennsylvania to arkansas to delaware to colorado to indiana going red by double digits

2. we've got senate seats in illinois, new york, california, wisconsin and washington that are toss up, all currently held by blues

3. we've got obama's seat, biden's seat, harry's seat and hillary's seat either leaning red by double digits or within ready reach

4. we've got a house majority that is within reach of red takeover

5. cuz if the senate goes, the house has no chance

6. and if we even come close in either house, it's almost as good cuz the slim blue majority remaining will be intimidated into capitulation

7. we've got gub races in pennsylvania, michigan, tennessee, colorado, iowa, illinois, ohio, wisconsin, oklahoma and wyoming---all currently in blue hands---where the gop is posting TODAY historic, revolutionary leads

8. we've got the state assemblies in california, new york, connecticut, north carolina, rhode island and iowa---all called out by politico, all controlled by dems---that are about as popular as trent lott at a cbc convention

9. and we've got obama's "supporters" who just can't seem to bring themselves to discuss obama or the issues in play

10. pathetic
 
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I If your wishes were nickels, you'd be rich.

That sounds like something my grandfather would have said...;)

Look Jall...people can oppose, that's fine. But the political grandstanding is just silly. You know as well as I know as well as the Republicans know, these tactics are not going to accomplish anything. Its nothing more than silly political games. I hate it when the Democrats engage in it....and I hate it when the Republicans engage in it.
You lost the battle. Rather than fight these silly political games that aren't going to accomplish anything, get back to trying to do something that actually will have a benefit on the country.
 
You lost the battle. Rather than fight these silly political games that aren't going to accomplish anything, get back to trying to do something that actually will have a benefit on the country.

Opposing passage of this bill will benefit the country. I wholeheartedly support the Republicans in this obstruction. I don't support every obstruction, but this is one that I am devotedly behind. I've read the bill; it is not acceptable.
 
That sounds like something my grandfather would have said...;)

Look Jall...people can oppose, that's fine. But the political grandstanding is just silly. You know as well as I know as well as the Republicans know, these tactics are not going to accomplish anything. Its nothing more than silly political games. I hate it when the Democrats engage in it....and I hate it when the Republicans engage in it.
You lost the battle. Rather than fight these silly political games that aren't going to accomplish anything, get back to trying to do something that actually will have a benefit on the country.

But they have to set up their attack ads, like "Congressman X voted to give Viagra to pedophiles through Obamacare!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
Opposing passage of this bill will benefit the country. I wholeheartedly support the Republicans in this obstruction. I don't support every obstruction, but this is one that I am devotedly behind. I've read the bill; it is not acceptable.

But you do know that the obstruction is not going to actually accomplish anything right? How does that benefit the country?
 
But you do know that the obstruction is not going to actually accomplish anything right? How does that benefit the country?

I know it will impede the democrats until we can get enough republicans in there to put this measure down like a rabid dog.
 
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Off topic and attacking comments need to stop.
 
I know it will impede the democrats until we can get enough republicans in there to put this measure down like a rabid dog.

The stall tactics will not work that long....and even then its unlikely the Republicans would pick up enough seats to ever accomplish that...and even if they did...they probably wouldn't do it. Its just political grandstanding.
 
The stall tactics will not work that long....and even then its unlikely the Republicans would pick up enough seats to ever accomplish that...and even if they did...they probably wouldn't do it. Its just political grandstanding.

I don't think that. Votes rarely go straight down party lines. And the democrats have never really been known to hold their lines very effectively at all, anyway.

If there can be challenges and stalls enough to get close to November and polls show any hint that republicans are gaining traction, you will see democrats defect left and right out of fear for their own seats. :shrug:
 
obama doesn't disgust me, i'm too old to FEEL petty little girl emotions like that, i've seen everything too many thousands of times

maturity brings acceptance

you don't even register with me, i don't even know your name at this point, and i don't care enough to scroll up to find out

you fail to stand out from thousands of others

take care
Apparently you're not old and wise enough to have figured out just a day or two before this healthcare bill passed that it was going to pass because you were posting on numerous threads how the Dems will never get the votes and the bill was going down etc. etc...

But now you REALLY know what you're talking about right? You're too old and wise to be wrong again, right?

My disgust is turning to pity for you.

Have fun trampling on wounded vets with your GOP friends.
 
Excerpted from “Reconciliation bill passes Senate” By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN & MEREDITH SHINER, Politico, 3/25/10 2:24 PM EDT
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]he Senate approved a package of fixes to the health care reform law Thursday, drawing to a close the chamber’s year-long effort to overhaul the nation’s insurance system.

But the work isn't done quite yet.

The bill passed 56 to 43, with Vice President Joe Biden presiding over the chamber. …

And, so, it is over in the Senate, with one quick, last stop in the House and health care reform 2010 and student loan reform are done. It was a long grueling road, with many twists and turns, but the system arrived at the destination and an enormous achievement for the American nation has been recorded in the 111th session of Congress.
 
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And, so, it is over in the Senate, with one quick, last stop in the House and health care reform 2010 and student loan reform are done. It was a long grueling road, with many twists and turns, but the system arrived at the destination and an enormous achievement for the American nation has been recorded in the 111th session of Congress.

Heh, yeah, it aint over yet. There will be all manner of constitutional challenges. And hopefully a repeal.
 
I believe the Pell grant revisions are part of the student loan reform which was tacked onto the health care reform fixes.

My understanding is that there is typically just one reconciliation bill per year (per session?) and student loan reform, something that President Clinton tried to pass and failed, was included in the package precisely because it couldn't muster super-majority support.

The two stricken provisions were, again, my understanding, minor; so the reconciliation bill can proceed without them and it should be a straightforward vote in the House.

Student loan reform should be dealt with in a student loan reform bill, not a health reform bill. I understand that the Senate took the student loan provisions out, so all is cool...... Except that we are still stuck with the health care reform law.
 
You democrats have always been given to defeatist rhetoric so forgive me if I ignore your bravado.

C'mon Jall....Its great to be optimistic, but this is done. There is not going to be any recall, the only shot is at a constitutional challenge which probably doesn't have much of a basis according to most analysis I've read.

Its not being "Bravado"...its called being realistic. The Republicans know this is done....its just political grandstanding.
 
C'mon Jall....Its great to be optimistic, but this is done.

Like I said, defeatist rhetoric.

There is not going to be any recall, the only shot is at a constitutional challenge which probably doesn't have much of a basis according to most analysis I've read.

Not true. The mandate to buy private insurance without opening purchase across state lines nullifies the commerce clause justification. That's just one problem with it.

Its not being "Bravado"...its called being realistic. The Republicans know this is done....its just political grandstanding.

We've repealed amendments. I think we can get bad legislation repealed, in time.
 
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Student loan reform should be dealt with in a student loan reform bill, not a health reform bill. I understand that the Senate took the student loan provisions out, so all is cool...... Except that we are still stuck with the health care reform law.

I agree...but let's not pretend that this is anything unique to this bill. This is how Congress has worked for decades, to pretend otherwise is just dishonesty by those who pretend.
I see some people acting "shocked" that this type of thing is in the health bill. Get real, anyone who follows politics at all knows better.
 
Like I said, defeatist rhetoric.



Not true. The mandate to buy private insurance without opening purchase across state lines nullifies the commerce clause justification. That's just one problem with it.



We're repealed amendments. I think we can get bad legislation repealed, in time.


Ok Jall....your optimism is charming....and I'm being sincere.

However, first of all, any repeal would be at least a year off and Republicans are as much political animals as Democrats. They are not going to want to go back to their electorate and explain why children with pre-existing conditions are no longer covered, why young adults get kicked off their parents insurance, etc. It would be bad politically for them once the bill takes effect. Their only hope was in trying to stop it before.

Second - You guys talk about the mandate to purchase insurance. That was given to us thanks to the Republicans and the Bluedogs both of who refused to even talk about reform until the public option was off the table.
I agree that the public option would have been better. We could get rid of the mandate and allow the people to have the public option. THAT is what most Americans wanted in the first place.

Finally, you can call it defeatist if you want. But anyone who knows politics knows that this is a done deal. The stall tactics can last a few days maybe a week, but its done and the stall tactics are not good faith efforts by the Republicans to do anything other than political posturing.
 
Ok Jall....your optimism is charming....and I'm being sincere.

However, first of all, any repeal would be at least a year off and Republicans are as much political animals as Democrats. They are not going to want to go back to their electorate and explain why children with pre-existing conditions are no longer covered, why young adults get kicked off their parents insurance, etc. It would be bad politically for them once the bill takes effect. Their only hope was in trying to stop it before.

Most of the bill doesn't even take effect for 4 years. It's not like anyone is suddenly going to be missing something if it gets repealed in a year. Plus, I don't think it will get completely repealed. I think parts of it will.

Second - You guys talk about the mandate to purchase insurance. That was given to us thanks to the Republicans and the Bluedogs both of who refused to even talk about reform until the public option was off the table.
I agree that the public option would have been better. We could get rid of the mandate and allow the people to have the public option. THAT is what most Americans wanted in the first place.

Finally, you can call it defeatist if you want. But anyone who knows politics knows that this is a done deal. The stall tactics can last a few days maybe a week, but its done and the stall tactics are not good faith efforts by the Republicans to do anything other than political posturing.

Anyone who knows politics knows that nothing is ever a done deal.
 
Like I said, defeatist rhetoric.



Not true. The mandate to buy private insurance without opening purchase across state lines nullifies the commerce clause justification. That's just one problem with it.



We've repealed amendments. I think we can get bad legislation repealed, in time.

Actually, you have an excellent point. If there is no purchasing of insurance across state lines, then the Federal government is out of its jurisdiction.
 
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