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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I did. Nothing in the article indicates that I am wrong. Did you have anything to add other than your proclomations or are you just gonna blab on without any substantial contribution again?
    You claimed that none of the law's benefits take effect until 2014. That's the claim I was refuting. Here is the text of the article that proves you wrong:


    Just when the midterm elections are heating up in September, key provisions will go into effect.

    Senior citizens who fall into the “donut hole” in the Medicare prescription drug program would receive a $250 rebate, if the Senate passes the package of fixes this week.

    People who get sick will no longer be vulnerable to losing their coverage, insurers will be barred from refusing to cover children with pre-existing conditions, and young adults up to age 26 will be able to stay on their parents’ insurance plan. Uninsured adults with a pre-existing condition will be able to secure coverage through a new program that expires once the exchanges begin in 2014.

    And some small businesses will receive tax credits to help provide coverage for workers.

    In 2011, lower-profile changes will kick in, including higher Medicare reimbursement rates for primary care physicians and free wellness exams for Medicare beneficiaries. The tax on the pharmaceutical industry will also start in 2011 — earlier than for other industries — but it will come as the bill aims to close the Medicare prescription drug doughnut hole.
    Read more: Timing right for Democrats' midterm election hopes - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You claimed that none of the law's benefits take effect until 2014. That's the claim I was refuting. Here is the text of the article that proves you wrong:
    No, I claimed that many of the benefits would not take effect until 2014. Try reading.

    You still have done nothing to prove me wrong.

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I claimed that many of the benefits would not take effect until 2014. Try reading.

    You still have done nothing to prove me wrong.
    You said: "It's not like anyone is suddenly going to be missing something if it gets repealed in a year."

    Wrong.

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You said: "It's not like anyone is suddenly going to be missing something if it gets repealed in a year."

    Wrong.
    No, not wrong. You can cry and moan and bitch about how you want someone to be wrong all you want, but it's not going to make your authoritative decrees any more true. Get over yourself. Make a real argument. Or just move along and spare the bandwidth.

    You have done nothing to prove me wrong. End of discussion.

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, not wrong. You can cry and moan and bitch about how you want someone to be wrong all you want, but it's not going to make your authoritative decrees any more true. Get over yourself. Make a real argument. Or just move along and spare the bandwidth.

    You have done nothing to prove me wrong. End of discussion.
    I think we've said all we need to here. Everything is on the record.

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I think we've said all we need to here. Everything is on the record.
    Absolutely. You failed at your attempt to prove me wrong. Get over it and move on.

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Done and done.

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    End of the Thread.


    • Reductions in the penalty for individuals who fail to obtain insurance so that by 2016, individuals who do not have insurance would be fined $695 a year.

    • Penalties for employers whose employees receive subsidies in the new exchanges, rather than buying insurance through the employer.
    • Limits on the amount of money a low-income person or household would be required to pay out-of-pocket for health care.
    • A one-time, $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries who fall into the “doughnut hole” during 2010, which will be phased out during the next decade.
    • Additional Medicare reimbursements during 2010 to physicians with lower-than-average practice costs.
    • More time for insurance companies to comply with the new regulations.
    • Scale back on the tax on high benefits and pushing the effective date on the tax to 2018.




    This is going to piss my employees off. We provide them with a "medcal allowance" to get health insuance on thier own....


    Now I am going to b penalized for this? nope. The will get whatever plan we can get for what we are paying now..... Wont be nearly as good for most of them.
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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is going to piss my employees off. We provide them with a "medcal allowance" to get health insuance on thier own....


    Now I am going to b penalized for this? nope. The will get whatever plan we can get for what we are paying now..... Wont be nearly as good for most of them.
    You're saying they will be mad that they are going to get the same thing they get now?

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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're saying they will be mad that they are going to get the same thing they get now?



    They wont. See a young guy working for me wont spend all that money on helthcare except for a catastrophy plan, while another may purchase a cadillac plan with it. They have the choice.....


    NOW, it seems I got to find a plan for these guys where it doesnt cost me any more.


    Some may get more than they need/want others far less....


    Its rather pathetic that this provision is in the bill.
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    Re: BREAKING -- Reconciliation bill will have to go back to the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They wont. See a young guy working for me wont spend all that money on helthcare except for a catastrophy plan, while another may purchase a cadillac plan with it. They have the choice.....


    NOW, it seems I got to find a plan for these guys where it doesnt cost me any more.


    Some may get more than they need/want others far less....


    Its rather pathetic that this provision is in the bill.
    I still don't get it. Are you giving them the same allowance, or not?

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