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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It didn't seem that long when I read it. I do confess to just glossing through some of the thicker language, though.

    I don't see how anyone can fully understand this beast.
    I doubt anyone can.

    Probably required specialist staffers to read each section, if they bothered at all

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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    No one reads any full bill.

    It's impossible to expect every Congressee to read every word of every bill that comes through and is voted on.

    Do people honestly, truly believe that members of Congress *usually* sit down and read through every bill and come to fully understand it before forming an opinion? I'm abashed to think that people are really suckered into this idea.

    Read up on how a bill is proposed, processed and voted on - as well as how our Congress is organized in it's group and all other such things and then come to a full understanding of how the process works before really getting panties all a-twist over something that isn't usually done, anyway.

    However, the only real point to nark on is that people don't *know* the bill - not that they haven't *read* the bill. They all should be privy to information in the bill through the basic outline of the bill that's produced by the Congressional Library - as well as any and all updates that are typed up and given out when the bill goes through office.

    And believe it or not, Obama didn't read the whole damn bill, either.
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I doubt anyone can.

    Probably required specialist staffers to read each section, if they bothered at all

    That's about the only way I can see making an informed decision about this bill. Have different staffers read each part and then report it, in piece, and make a decision about each part.

    I still don't know how it all ties together.

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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No one reads any full bill.

    It's impossible to expect every Congressee to read every word of every bill that comes through and is voted on.

    Do people honestly, truly believe that members of Congress *usually* sit down and read through every bill and come to fully understand it before forming an opinion? I'm abashed to think that people are really suckered into this idea.

    Read up on how a bill is proposed, processed and voted on - as well as how our Congress is organized in it's group and all other such things and then come to a full understanding of how the process works before really getting panties all a-twist over something that isn't usually done, anyway.

    However, the only real point to nark on is that people don't *know* the bill - not that they haven't *read* the bill. They all should be privy to information in the bill through the basic outline of the bill that's produced by the Congressional Library - as well as any and all updates that are typed up and given out when the bill goes through office.

    And believe it or not, Obama didn't read the whole damn bill, either.
    I read every word of HR3200 (the first publicized version of the bill)

    It doesn't take all that long. 2000 pages may seem like a lot, but a "page" in bill-terms doesn't actually contain that much text. They're essentially quadruple spaced with a lot of index/formatting stuff going on.

    edit: Although you're right that reading a bill and understanding it are not the same thing. There's a lot of e-mail forwards/youtube videos about the "TRUTH ABOUT THE BILL" that are so grossly misunderstanding/misrepresenting that it's sickening.
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I read every word of HR3200 (the first publicized version of the bill)

    It doesn't take all that long. 2000 pages may seem like a lot, but a "page" in bill-terms doesn't actually contain that much text. They're essentially quadruple spaced with a lot of index/formatting stuff going on.

    edit: Although you're right that reading a bill and understanding it are not the same thing. There's a lot of e-mail forwards/youtube videos about the "TRUTH ABOUT THE BILL" that are so grossly misunderstanding/misrepresenting that it's sickening.
    I've read 1/2 the finalized bill - but that's not the point.

    The point is that there's no way in hell any Congressee is going to have/take the time to do so. . . it's never been done that way.
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've read 1/2 the finalized bill - but that's not the point.

    The point is that there's no way in hell any Congressee is going to have/take the time to do so. . . it's never been done that way.
    Which is very probably why the USA is in the SH*T up to it's shoulders right now.

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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've read 1/2 the finalized bill - but that's not the point.

    The point is that there's no way in hell any Congressee is going to have/take the time to do so. . . it's never been done that way.
    They have 8 hours a day in which they are basically paid to do this sort of thing, I did it in my free time. On legislation this important, you really think nobody read it?

    What about the guys who wrote it? That clearly takes longer than reading it, where did they find the time?
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They have 8 hours a day in which they are basically paid to do this sort of thing, I did it in my free time. On legislation this important, you really think nobody read it?

    What about the guys who wrote it? That clearly takes longer than reading it, where did they find the time?
    Sure, a few people have probable read the entire thing OR (more likely) at least understand and comprehend the entire thing based on truncated reports and so forth (this is standard practice).

    However, it's not the norm - which is why it's so atrocious that they made the bill so damn big to begin with. The mere size of it alone led to more problems with overall (or partial) knowledge.
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Hot Air Blog Archive Oh, by the way, O-Care lets states opt out of the individual mandate

    From HuffPo:



    From HotAir:



    From the bill:




    It's unlikely that states will actually be deemed to have met the requirements and get to opt out, but the fact that this wasn't played up for political points one bit, when so much attention was given to the idea of being able to opt out, is a pretty hilarious piece of evidence that nobody - in Congress or otherwise - actually read through the bill, which is longer than the last two Harry Potter books combined.
    No single person needs to read the entire bill because most of it is directives are for agencies; only congressmen who specialize in the operations of one or more of these agencies need to read the directives, to ensure they are plausible and inform their peers if they are or are not. Everybody else needs to read (and be able to understand) the overviews and summaries.

    Furthermore, I'm not sure on what grounds you think it is 'unlikely' states will not be able to opt out; at least most of them have the capability and it is unlikely the Supreme Court won't rule in their favor if they have a genuinely competitive system going. More likely, none of them will want to.
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    Re: Confirmed: Nobody Read the Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Wait until the maroons see the $140 deduction from every pay check because of this PHONY Health Plan.

    I hope no one is claiming surprise to find that no one not one single person on either side of the isle read this anti-American Obamination.
    "Conservative" says it all.

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