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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Well, places like media matters usually focus on meaningless drivel in order to one-up their ideological opponents.

    I'm having a difficult time figuring out exactly what I am supposed to get from things like this. Beck pretending that he is a big deal? Oh no, Beck has an ego. Glad you made me aware of it, Media Matters. Now how does this make me a more informed citizen? It doesn't.
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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    You stated earlier that you enjoy Beck and dislike MM. For the sake of argument, I suppose, you now are acting as if hyperbole from either of these sources is not par for the course. Mkay, fine by me.
    All I'm saying is that Beck said what MM claims he said.
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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    The point of this whole thing, to me at least, is if Beck honestly thinks that the government may go after him, than he is delusional enough that the rest of his message is called into question.

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    You are a perfect example of what Rush Limbaugh calls the "drive-by media." You take snippets of what Conservatives say, spin the context to meet your end goal, and then spew false claims of conservative conspiracy theories.
    Actually that's not a perfect example at all of what Rush calls the "drive by media". The term originated when he compare media members to gang bangers doing "drive bys" with stories. They show up to a story, immedietely start reporting whatever outlandish things they want, and then speed away as the rest of us have to actually pick up the pieces of their factually incorrect stories.

    The most stunning example of this that Rush gave had very little to do with spinning what Conservatives stay, it was the situation with Katrina and the super dome. The Media showed up, started reporting all kind of attrocities going on in the super dome, and then sped off to the next story once the dust settled and information came out that all their stories were bogus, with the corrections getting extremely less attention in comparison.

    Its the penchant for reporting outlandish accusations as certainty before the facts come out and moving onto a new story before those facts come out causing the correct information to be basically buried under "new" news and the hysterical original story being what' remains in most peoples minds.

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Have you actually ever watched anything from Media Matters?

    They basically just post the actual clips from the actual person showing the actual content.

    The right-wing wackos hate them because they can't just spew out the garbage that they want and deny accountability.
    MM has caught Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Cheney..and many others in outright lies. Thats why they hate MM so much.
    Actually, that's not the issue.

    Media Matters tends to take a few minutes long clip, if that, out of a one hour or three hour daily broadcast, and tends to provide it in such a way that the necessary context is missing. They also have an almost certain habit of leading into every video with a heaping load of extremely partisan commentary prior to it, thus commendering the context and the mentality people have going into the video from the get go. This is akin to during polls when you tell someone that "Most people say that....do you believe it" is considered bad polling because it proeconditions the listener to be in the mindest that many people believe what's being said. Media Matters begins setting the tone of the context they want, the interpritation they want, from the onset of their article so that by the time someone gets to the video they're viewing it from the mindset of Media Matters rather than from an ojbective neutral place.

    The recent Rush Limbaugh situation is a PERFECT example of their devious and extremely propoganda oriented talents. They take a short clip from a man that has nearly 2 hours of broadcast time five days a week for the majority of the year. From a completely neutral stand point the comment could've been taken either way, as moving there to live or going there to get health care. Media Matters article immedietely went into hyper partisan liberal spin mode from the beginning, conditioning the reader with their OWN context to be more likely to interprite Rush's words as only having one clear option, that he was moving moving and was going to use their socialist medicine.

    However when you consider the fact that this was not a singlular isolated comment made by the man but one of millions than one can not ignore every other ounce of context. Rush has repeatedly stated he has no insurance on his show, that he pays for medical expenses out of pocket. He's repeatedly stated that while he was in the hospital in Hawaii he paid for it out of pocket. He's also ridiculed those that would leave the country simply because of a political decision or vote. Adding that context together it would be far more likely to come to the conclusion that he was meaning he'd go there to pay out of pocket for his own health care when needed.

    However Media Matters has a specific, defined, OBVIOUS agenda and an audiance of hyper partisan liberals that it has to satisfy. Giving the context from Rush's history would at least cause people to question their spin of it and at worst would make their spin look ridiculous. Giving it simply as a neutral situation without any of their own commentary or spin surrounding it would likely cause their die hards to read it like theirs but those in the middle who can easily be manipulated may go either way. So, because Media Matters has an agenda they insert their own bias, their own take, and their own context around it to precondition those people to believe it is as they suggest it is.

    This is the typical, repeated, continual method that Media Matters acts. That is why I don't consider them credible nor do I take anything they say as gospel. There has been too many times that even when they post the actual video or words that they've done so while not just completely ignoring context, history, tone, etc but actually recasting those things to meet their agenda.

    In regards to the Beck thing, I'm at work so can't watch at the moment. However I would consider the way Media Matters is portraying it as gospel to be about as likely as WorldNetDailys take on "My Muslim Faith".

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Who the **** is Beck?

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would bet this is sarcasm from Beck. I have seen his show a few times and he uses a lot of sarcasm for humor. Besides, Media Matters isn't about posting the truth, it spews anything and puts a spin on conservative media.
    See, it only took a few minutes for some mindless response saying:

    1. He's not serious.

    2. The site is biased (even though it simply posted a Beck video clip where you can hear Beck's own words).

    There is nothing these people won't believe or construct to protect these paranoid lunatics.

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Translation: Its the way I say it is and only that way and any other inteprititation that could possibly happen is wrong unless its what I say it is therefore I can claim I'm right.


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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Translation: Its the way I say it is and only that way and any other inteprititation that could possibly happen is wrong unless its what I say it is therefore I can claim I'm right.

    So he didn't say it?

    The clip is right there.

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    Re: Beck suggests Obama administration "coming after him" and may kill him

    It's about time they scared him into respecting the president and not plot anything cruel.
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