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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    There was a scientific study done a couple of decades back that did a very similar thing and already found this out.

    France is just being copy-cats.
    You're thinking of Zimbardo's prison experiment - a controversial experiment not only for its ethics, but in how it should be interpreted.

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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You're thinking of Zimbardo's prison experiment - a controversial experiment not only for its ethics, but in how it should be interpreted.
    No - This was the Milgram experiment, which was conducted after the start of Adolf Eichmann's trial in 1961. The actual purpose of the experiment was to see if Eichmann's agenda was performed by the others that were with him because they were in a group. The results showed that, although individuals had a sense of right and wrong, when placed in a group, they could do some pretty horrible things, thus throwing their moral compass out the window. The results were published in 1963. This is probably one of the most famous psychological experiments in history, and helps to not only understand the mentality of the Nazis during WWII, but also that atrocious acts could be committed by ANYONE, given the right set of circumstances.
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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No - This was the Milgram experiment, which was conducted after the start of Adolf Eichmann's trial in 1961. The actual purpose of the experiment was to see if Eichmann's agenda was performed by the others that were with him because they were in a group. The results showed that, although individuals had a sense of right and wrong, when placed in a group, they could do some pretty horrible things, thus throwing their moral compass out the window. The results were published in 1963. This is probably one of the most famous psychological experiments in history, and helps to not only understand the mentality of the Nazis during WWII, but also that atrocious acts could be committed by ANYONE, given the right set of circumstances.
    Thanks Dan.

    Here is a link to more info, [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment]Milgram experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I heard this story on NPR yesterday. There's a link to the broadcast on this page, as well as an article. It goes to show how most people will go against their own principles under social pressure. Only 20% of contestants refused to shock the fictitious contestant. The audience didn't know it was fictitious, and was urging the players to shock the fictitious contestants.

    It's a chilling commentary on human nature, even in a 'civilized' nation in 'enlightened' Western Europe. Listen to the broadcast, it's fascinating.

    Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France : NPR
    I think deep down a lot of people have a sadistic side and this mass group influence is just a load of crap people use to excuse their behavior.
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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    the French were not only shocked by the actions of their own citizens on this game show, but upon hearing that the story went out to the world, via NPR, France surrendered.
    I don't see why this meme even exists. France has been fighting wars far longer than we have, and has won most of them. With a great deal of WW1 and WW2 being fought on their territory, they took a lot of the beating, second perhaps only to WW2 Russia. Even after being totally occupied and controlled, the resistance provided crucial disruption and intelligence effort. Also, does anybody remember that Napoleon guy? You know, the one who practically took over the world and pretty much only mother nature could beat?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_wars_and_battles]List of wars involving France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    "France surrenders hurrr" is something people with no knowledge of history say.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't see why this meme even exists. France has been fighting wars far longer than we have, and has won most of them. With a great deal of WW1 and WW2 being fought on their territory, they took a lot of the beating, second perhaps only to WW2 Russia. Even after being totally occupied and controlled, the resistance provided crucial disruption and intelligence effort. Also, does anybody remember that Napoleon guy? You know, the one who practically took over the world and pretty much only mother nature could beat?

    List of wars involving France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "France surrenders hurrr" is something people with no knowledge of history say.
    It was a joke. We, as a people, enjoying making fun of the French.

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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It was a joke. We, as a people, enjoying making fun of the French.
    That we do, and the French are also cool with it. In fact, a few years ago President Mitterand did a commercial, in which he held up a piece of cheese, and exclaimed "I would surrender for just one bite of this".*












    * - No he didn't. I just made it up because I love to bash the French. LOL.
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    Re: Fake TV Game Show 'Tortures' Man, Shocks France

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That we do, and the French are also cool with it. In fact, a few years ago President Mitterand did a commercial, in which he held up a piece of cheese, and exclaimed "I would surrender for just one bite of this".*












    * - No he didn't. I just made it up because I love to bash the French. LOL.
    LOL That's a good one. Self-depreciating humor is the best kind!

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