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    EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    UPDATE: Democrats challenge authenticity of ?doc fix? memo - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party's message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.

    Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.

    “Most health staff are already aware that our health proposal does not contain a 'doc fix.' … The inclusion of a full SGR repeal would undermine reform’s budget neutrality. So again, do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered,” the memo, sent Thursday to Democratic staff, said.

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    The memo helps explains why the American Medical Association has supported reform even though their top legislative priority, the doc fix, was left out. The group is working behind the scenes with Democratic leadership and the White House to fix the cuts later this year.
    So here we have a memo directly from the Democrats where they admit that they've removed the $371,000,000,000 Doctor fix from their health care bill because it would mean that their total reform would add hundreds of billions to the deficit. How exactly do you spin that? Wait, I know:

    The memo also repeatedly advises Democrats not to discuss the details of the CBO score. “We cannot emphasize this enough: do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered," the memo says.
    You ignore any attempts to actually discuss the specifics or details and instead just stubbornly repeat your 5-second soundbyte.

    That's really, really, really bad if true.

    edit: The Dems have since challenged the authenticity of the memo.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Well they have to deny it... if they owned up to it their bribery attempts so far may change their minds during the DEEM vote.

    But the math, I think Paul Ryan's words last night from the Capital said it all... the double counting, the CBO hide and seek numbers, and the claims of deficit savings is out and out bunk. Now they want to add the Doc Fix after the fact so they don't complicate the already bad math and corruption they have going on. The blind ideology here is staggering. Pelosi would eat live babies if she thought it would sway someone to vote for this fiction of a bill. Sad sad sad times for our country are ahead. But hey, maybe we can all tune into John Stewart and watch him make funny faces and forget allllll about it.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    They'd better vote quickly. This CBO report is unravelling faster than a new bride's garter.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    They'd better vote quickly. This CBO report is unravelling faster than a new bride's garter.
    FWIW, it's not the CBO report that's problematic, it's the Dem leadership's misrepresentation of its conclusions.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    This is going to get nasty.......

    Senator Tom Coburn threatened House Democrats– We will out you for selling your vote.

    “I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House. If you voted “no” and you vote “yes” and you lose your election, and you think any nomination for a federal position isn’t going to be held up in the Senate, I’ve got news for you. It will be held.

    Number two is if you get a deal, a parochial deal for you or your district, I’ve already instructed my staff and the staff of 7 other senators that we will look at every appropriations bill at every level at every incidence and we will outline it by district and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. So, if you think you can cut a deal now and it can not come out until after the election, I want to tell you that that aint gonna happen. And, be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House.”
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA0EOugizPY"]YouTube- Coburn: Senate Republicans Will Watch for Sweetheart Deals in Health Care[/ame]
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    I have got news for you. The memo is a forgery, and Politico has pulled the story from its web site. Politico got punked with this. Nobody knows who created and circulated the forgery, but the Dems are hopping mad over it, and are accusing Republicans of creating the memo.

    FOX News is, however, still running with the fake story, which is just more proof that they are basically a propaganda arm of the GOP, as opposed to any kind of legitimate news organization.

    Story is here.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have got news for you. The memo is a forgery, and Politico has pulled the story from its web site. Politico got punked with this. Nobody knows who created and circulated the forgery, but the Dems are hopping mad over it, and are accusing Republicans of creating the memo.

    FOX News is, however, still running with the fake story, which is just more proof that they are basically a propaganda arm of the GOP, as opposed to any kind of legitimate news organization.

    Story is here.
    Politico pulled it, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it's a forgery. Marc Ambinder did some checking into the source and concluded this:

    I gave the memo a once over. I looked legit -- the points it makes are, indeed, potential trouble spots for Democrats. I wrote and posted an item on it. In doing so I committed an error of craft: I didn't check to see what the Democratic leadership or the White House or the Democratic National Committee had to say. Had I done so, I would have been told that they did not write the memo. So -- no Dan Rather Excuse here -- I didn't do due diligence, and I posted the item too quickly. For the sake of my post, it doesn't matter whether the underlying facts are true, it matters whether the memo is a real one. Before characterizing the memo as being from Democrats, or insinuating that the memo listed official talking points, I clearly should have made a call. I didn't. That's on me.

    I don't know if the memo is a hoax. I suspect that it is was created by someone who is a Democrat -- but that it comes from an allied Democratic group, or from a committee staff member. Dozens of such memos circulate daily through the K-Street-Capitol Corridor. A Republican might have been 'cc'd on one such e-mail, which was then sent up the flagpole, and then send out to reporters by a hyperkinetic communications staff.

    I do not believe that Mr. Steel or a member of his staff created the memo. You may ask why I believe this, and my reasons won't satisfy many of you, but here goes: I've know Steel for years. He is a stand-up guy and isn't dishonest; in trickier situations, he's told me the truth. Here he may have been overzealous, and I fell for it on a slow Friday afternoon.
    You're absolutely right that it looks like it didn't come from one of the people in Congress, but it's also too soon to call it a forgery. Ben Smith is trying to do more investigation, so hopefully he turns up something.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Politico pulled it, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it's a forgery. Marc Ambinder did some checking into the source and concluded this:



    You're absolutely right that it looks like it didn't come from one of the people in Congress, but it's also too soon to call it a forgery. Ben Smith is trying to do more investigation, so hopefully he turns up something.
    Dana also missed that the Fox article calls the document "purported" in the title and that in the body of the article there are several references to the idea it is a fake. Which I guess is how the GOP told Fox to report the story, right after they told Politico to publish the story Fox picked up on and which appears to be anything but a settled matter of forgery.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    I want to see solid evidence that the memo exists, otherwise this is little more than a conspiracy theory.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I want to see solid evidence that the memo exists, otherwise this is little more than a conspiracy theory.
    Evidence? We don't need no stinkin evidence!

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