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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Keep telling yourself that. But your posts don't reflect that. This bill is a start in the right direction, little more. We should expect more to come later.
    My posts reflect that I object/approve policies/bills based on the merit of said policies/bills.

    This issue has been my pet for the past year, I have studied it in depth and I know what I am talking about.
    I was at first on the fence about UHC, about to accept it as the superior choice but looking deeper I found that it won't work, this bill won't work.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My posts reflect that I object/approve policies/bills based on the merit of said policies/bills.

    This issue has been my pet for the past year, I have studied it in depth and I know what I am talking about.
    I was at first on the fence about UHC, about to accept it as the superior choice but looking deeper I found that it won't work, this bill won't work.
    Boo's one trick obtuse pony act is starting to get threadbare ain't it?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My posts reflect that I object/approve policies/bills based on the merit of said policies/bills.

    This issue has been my pet for the past year, I have studied it in depth and I know what I am talking about.
    I was at first on the fence about UHC, about to accept it as the superior choice but looking deeper I found that it won't work, this bill won't work.
    I see non evidence of that. Nor do I put much stock in such self declarations. Many hear like to shout their expertise and play attack on others. I would prefer you actually get it right and make a logical argument. I don't care what you think of yourself.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The Bill passed will be the one passed. Anything else must be voted on and fought for. Nothing deceptive about that. If there is no bill, no reform at all is done. Makes everything meaningless if there is no bill passed.
    And two dozen posts later, you're still ignoring the point.

    When the Dems first proposed a health reform bill, they included the doc fix, saying that it was part of their proposal. It turned out to be expensive. They removed it from the bill, and are now planning on passing it after the bill is passed. They did that because it allows them to say that their health care reform will not increase the deficit. They justify removing the doc fix by saying that it's not related to health care reform, but then turn around and include student loan reform in the bill because that helps their CBO score.

    If you don't see how that's at all deceptive, then I don't know what to tell you.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And two dozen posts later, you're still ignoring the point.

    When the Dems first proposed a health reform bill, they included the doc fix, saying that it was part of their proposal. It turned out to be expensive. They removed it from the bill, and are now planning on passing it after the bill is passed. They did that because it allows them to say that their health care reform will not increase the deficit. They justify removing the doc fix by saying that it's not related to health care reform, but then turn around and include student loan reform in the bill because that helps their CBO score.

    If you don't see how that's at all deceptive, then I don't know what to tell you.
    They removed it. It's not there. Not in this bill. Your speculation about what might be done later doesn't matter. It is not there now.

    If they try to put it in later, they still have to get votes for it. Unless they fix that problem, which they might, republicans can make the same argument. The CBO would still run the numbers again. I see nothing deceptive. The current bill is what is being voted on. Not what you think might be added later.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Boo's one trick obtuse pony act is starting to get threadbare ain't it?
    Yep, it's not limited to just him though.

    I'm getting tired of the purposeful ignorance and overt partisanship.
    It's being displayed by everyone who supports this bill.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I see non evidence of that. Nor do I put much stock in such self declarations. Many hear like to shout their expertise and play attack on others. I would prefer you actually get it right and make a logical argument. I don't care what you think of yourself.
    The CBO analysis is incomplete even when it accounts for all portions left out in this specific bill.
    It doesn't address the behavior changes in consumers when these policies are implemented and based on prior history, it will cost more than expected.

    You know for a fact, that the things left out, will be put back in with separate legislative actions.
    Your playing stupid on purpose, just to support your similarly minded politicians.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The CBO analysis is incomplete even when it accounts for all portions left out in this specific bill.
    It doesn't address the behavior changes in consumers when these policies are implemented and based on prior history, it will cost more than expected.

    You know for a fact, that the things left out, will be put back in with separate legislative actions.
    Your playing stupid on purpose, just to support your similarly minded politicians.
    Behavior changes are speculative. Not something that can be reasonably predicted. And whether anything can be put back remains to be seen. It isn't magical. There has to be a legislative act. Each act can be fought just as they were this time.

    And you're right, you really shouldn't play stupid and act as if this would be magic and not opposed.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Behavior changes are speculative. Not something that can be reasonably predicted. And whether anything can be put back remains to be seen. It isn't magical. There has to be a legislative act. Each act can be fought just as they were this time.

    And you're right, you really shouldn't play stupid and act as if this would be magic and not opposed.
    It's not speculative at all.

    We have a prior history of it.
    In fact, that is why we are in this position in the first place.
    This bill increase minimum benefit mandates(increasing prices), shields consumers even more from the true price of medical care and is going to increase prices across the board.

    It's already happened, ignoring that is willful on your part.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not speculative at all.

    We have a prior history of it.
    In fact, that is why we are in this position in the first place.
    This bill increase minimum benefit mandates(increasing prices), shields consumers even more from the true price of medical care and is going to increase prices across the board.

    It's already happened, ignoring that is willful on your part.
    Consumers will never be able to pay the price. Doctors will not go back to trading services for fruits and vegetables. So, everything, including private insurance, shields the consumer. They actually think no one pays for the uninsured and don't see how they do.

    So, the problem is how to have care for the most at the least or more controlable costs. The present system hasn't been effective. And the market has never so much as tried to tackle it. Nor will it.

    But this has nothing to do with the silliness you posted earlier. It is a different, though better discussion.

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