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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

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    Nonsense. This is the reconciliation bill, the one and only; it's time to reconcile!
    I don't mean to be a jerk, because you seem like a nice person, but you are convinced that this is the answer to all of our problems without reviewing the facts.

    Leaving out important budget considerations to get a positive result on the numbers is fraud.

    Stop falling for the spin on both sides of the isle.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Just as doctor reimbursement was excluded from the health care reform bill because it made it more difficult to pass the bill, the addition of the student loan reform bill makes it more easy to pass that, and most people outside of red-dog conservatives readily recognize student loan reform as ‘a good thing.’
    You realize that nothing you've just said responds to any of the points I raised, right?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You realize that nothing you've just said responds to any of the points I raised, right?
    The assumption it would have responded to anything you said would be based off the fallacy of believing here was here to have a discussion.

    The very notion that the Democrats have been saying we can't do health care reform in piece mail form but must do it as a comprehensive thing, but then saying that a particular piece of health care reform doesn't belong in a comprehensive bill and should be put forward piece mail, but something completely separate from health care SHOULD be part of that comprehensive coverage because its a "Good thing" is so mind numbling ****ing retarded that I can't even think of it without getting a headache.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The assumption it would have responded to anything you said would be based off the fallacy of believing here was here to have a discussion.

    The very notion that the Democrats have been saying we can't do health care reform in piece mail form but must do it as a comprehensive thing, but then saying that a particular piece of health care reform doesn't belong in a comprehensive bill and should be put forward piece mail, but something completely separate from health care SHOULD be part of that comprehensive coverage because its a "Good thing" is so mind numbling ****ing retarded that I can't even think of it without getting a headache.
    The bulk of the bill DOES have to be done as a whole, and that's exactly what they're doing.

    Fixing pre-existing conditions needs to go with a mandate, to provide healthy customers to make up for the unhealthy ones entering the system.

    With the mandate we need controls to ensure shady insurers don't sell junk insurance that doesn't really cover anything, taking money while still leaving the costs of illness on the rest of the country.

    That's like 90% of the bill right there.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The bulk of the bill DOES have to be done as a whole, and that's exactly what they're doing.

    Fixing pre-existing conditions needs to go with a mandate, to provide healthy customers to make up for the unhealthy ones entering the system.

    With the mandate we need controls to ensure shady insurers don't sell junk insurance that doesn't really cover anything, taking money while still leaving the costs of illness on the rest of the country.

    That's like 90% of the bill right there.
    And with the cuts in medicare advantage payments, they need to roll back the planned cuts in doctor reimbursements. Yet they separated that one out and are holding it until the first bill passes. That's the point that has been raised over and over again, yet remains unanswered.

    There is no way to say that the things currently in the bill all need to be there, but the doc fix doesn't.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And with the cuts in medicare advantage payments, they need to roll back the planned cuts in doctor reimbursements. Yet they separated that one out and are holding it until the first bill passes. That's the point that has been raised over and over again, yet remains unanswered.

    There is no way to say that the things currently in the bill all need to be there, but the doc fix doesn't.
    I don't see that part as being critical to the big picture. Important, certainly.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    90% of this bill can be summed up in three prof-style choppy little sentences?

    puhleez

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't see that part as being critical to the big picture. Important, certainly.
    Unless you're saying it's less critical to the big health care picture than anything else in the bill, including student loan reform, that doesn't really address the point.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My side?
    I think your confusing me with someone else.

    I don't do spin, I deal with facts and reality.
    I think going for a crap shoot instead of addressing the real problems with medical cost inflation is a poor choice.
    This bill and further adjustments to health care reform will be entirely political solving none of the problems it was supposed to.
    Keep telling yourself that. But your posts don't reflect that. This bill is a start in the right direction, little more. We should expect more to come later.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which is sort of the point. If it had never been there in the first place, it wouldn't be as obvious of an issue.



    Which has what to do with the question of whether it's deceptive? By then, the bill will have already been passed.
    The Bill passed will be the one passed. Anything else must be voted on and fought for. Nothing deceptive about that. If there is no bill, no reform at all is done. Makes everything meaningless if there is no bill passed.

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