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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I want to see solid evidence that the memo exists, otherwise this is little more than a conspiracy theory.
    It was in the old bill, they removed it to make it "look" good for the deficit.
    It will be applied after the fact and at the same time they can still claim that the bill will reduce the deficit.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I want to see solid evidence that the memo exists, otherwise this is little more than a conspiracy theory.
    As was noted, the memo's provenance is doubtful, but the fact that the dems are planning to push a $200b+ doctor fix after this current bill is passed is pretty clear, based on their own words.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Any fix will also have to be fought for. All of us should not think this passage is the end of the effort. And that doesn't mean anything is deceptive in noting this or doing this once it is passed.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any fix will also have to be fought for. All of us should not think this passage is the end of the effort. And that doesn't mean anything is deceptive in noting this or doing this once it is passed.
    The intent of the first bill was entirely deceptive.

    If everything, that they want to pass, is so good.
    Why not include together in this bill?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Any fix will also have to be fought for. All of us should not think this passage is the end of the effort. And that doesn't mean anything is deceptive in noting this or doing this once it is passed.
    The Dems originally included the Doc fix in the healthcare bill. After talking with the CBO, they realized that it would drag the proposal down into the red. They then cut the doc fix from the bill and are now trumpeting the fact that the new bill will reduce the deficit, all while planning on passing the doc fix shortly afterward.

    You don't see how that's deceptive?
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The intent of the first bill was entirely deceptive.

    If everything, that they want to pass, is so good.
    Why not include together in this bill?
    That's an opinion. You need much more support to move that to a place where anyone not prone to accept your spin will see it as honest.

    Before you can have the perfect, you have to have something. Had your side sat down and honestly tried to seek reform, things might be different. We'd certainly have a better bill. But once the death panels and the socialism nonsense started, all real hope for decent reform was lost. SO now, we have to just get something down and hope we can improve it as time goes by, and I mean that for both parties and all Americans.

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The Dems originally included the Doc fix in the healthcare bill. After talking with the CBO, they realized that it would drag the proposal down into the red. They then cut the doc fix from the bill and are now trumpeting the fact that the new bill will reduce the deficit, all while planning on passing the doc fix shortly afterward.

    You don't see how that's deceptive?
    Perhaps. But it isn't there now. And if they pass it later, here will be a vote, and I'm sure your side will not be quiet about it, right?

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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's an opinion. You need much more support to move that to a place where anyone not prone to accept your spin will see it as honest.

    Before you can have the perfect, you have to have something. Had your side sat down and honestly tried to seek reform, things might be different. We'd certainly have a better bill. But once the death panels and the socialism nonsense started, all real hope for decent reform was lost. SO now, we have to just get something down and hope we can improve it as time goes by, and I mean that for both parties and all Americans.
    My side?
    I think your confusing me with someone else.

    I don't do spin, I deal with facts and reality.
    I think going for a crap shoot instead of addressing the real problems with medical cost inflation is a poor choice.
    This bill and further adjustments to health care reform will be entirely political solving none of the problems it was supposed to.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps. But it isn't there now.
    Which is sort of the point. If it had never been there in the first place, it wouldn't be as obvious of an issue.

    And if they pass it later, here will be a vote, and I'm sure your side will not be quiet about it, right?
    Which has what to do with the question of whether it's deceptive? By then, the bill will have already been passed.
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    Re: EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

    The doctor reimbursement fix needs to be passed regardless of whether the health care reform bill is passed or not. These are separate issues.
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