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Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

NoJingoLingo said:
You got that right. I'm bigoted against the people who abuse children. I'm very bigoted against organizations that conspire to hide child abusers to protect it's veneer of piety.

Yup, that's me, a bigot alright. :2wave:
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NoJingoLingo said:
Well, it is a Christian organization after all. Did you expect some different outcome than other Christian organizations where religious men can be alone with boys?
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Well, your a black man, so obviously your not smart enough to debate with us. :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Well, your a black man, so obviously your not smart enough to debate with us. :roll:
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When you figure out the difference between "your" and "you're" let us know.

Other than that, your sad attempt at exposing my use of generalities is incorrect. Bigotry and racism are not the same. :2wave:
 
ADK_Forever said:
Boy and Cub Scouts is in effect a candy store for pedophiles. They are going to try to get in there. It's up to the leaders to Do Their Best to stop them. BSA is a great program that offers so much for our young men. It's a real shame that this **** ruins it for so many.
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That and the pushing of Christianity on young boys.
 
My perception of the abuse issues in Scouts is that it's an organization that has to try its best to prevent pedophiles from getting in, as opposed to protecting pedophiles and scandals once they do get in. Any organization that is responsible for the primary care of children in the absence of their parents has its work cut out for it in this department.

I don't think it's en par to the Catholic Church where widespread abuses were being willfully ignored for decades despite the epidemic proportions of the occurrences. I think Scouts is well aware that pedophiles are attracted to their organization (for obvious reasons). What I want to know is, why would the leaders try to conceal the truth?
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Well, it is a Christian organization after all.
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No it is not. Boy Scouts are expected to be religious, not necessarily Christian. Most scout masters will turn a blind eye to this along with homosexuality.

NoJingoLingo said:
Did you expect some different outcome than other Christian organizations where religious men can be alone with boys?
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:doh:doh:doh:doh:doh

These situations will arise whenever adults are left alone with children like they often are in scouts and other youth organizations. Religion is irrelevant.
 
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Boys and leaders have been kicked out for admitting they don't believe in God.

At the unit level, for the most part, all that matters is the program and the boys. Most leaders I know hate how the LDS church has such a stranglehold on BSA. The stupid, non-boys-welfare decisions are made much higher than the local council level.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Boys and leaders have been kicked out for admitting they don't believe in God.

At the unit level, for the most part, all that matters is the program and the boys. Most leaders I know hate how the LDS church has such a stranglehold on BSA. The stupid, non-boys-welfare decisions are made much higher than the local council level.
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Yes, but things like this rarely ever reach that level. The troop doesn't make a big deal about it most of the time.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Yes, but things like this rarely ever reach that level. The troop doesn't make a big deal about it most of the time.
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True. Usually something happens when someone lodges a complaint that catches some political mucky muck's eyes. Or if a story gets local press. A great leader was kicked out when he was exposed as being gay. He went through the entire program earning his Arrow of Light and Eagle Scout badge, the highest honors in the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts respectively. He then went into a leadership position. When a local paper ran a story on him the issue of his being gay came up. When asked, he was honest. (To this day a few of us still believe he was set up.) BSA got wind of it and he was kicked out. It sucked. This kid was a born leader. His sexual orientation in no way hindered his positive impact on the rest of the boys. This is just one more way that religions and churches, in their arrogance, can **** up a good thing.
 
It's a shame. Boy Scouts is such a great organiztion. Too bad that it has to have such a stupid rule.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
And lets put the numbers into context...



Confidential files from the Boy Scouts of America show that the organization knew of at least 1,000 suspected child molesters from 1965 to 1985 and tried to hush it up, an attorney in a sexual abuse lawsuit charges.



so 1000 "suspected" in 20 years?



They all should have been at least kicked out and shame on the BSA for coverig it up, but to call it "preavalant" is unneeded hyperbole.
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You act like 1,000 suspected pedophiles in 20 years is a small number. That is 50 every year. That is 50 possible pedophiles who have little kids under their wing. Say the average troupe has 9-10 kids in it. That is nearly 10,000 kids who've may have been molested in 20 years. Doesn't sound like a small number when you realize we're only talking about a span of 20 years. We're not even talking about the last 30. No. This is really not hyperbole.
 
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Cease with the personal attacks - enough already!
 
So can we pull the plug on govt funding for these Catholic priest wannabes now? We did that to ACORN over a doctored video for pete's sake. :lol:
 
Hatuey said:
You act like 1,000 suspected pedophiles in 20 years is a small number. That is 50 every year. That is 50 possiblepedophiles who have little kids under their wing. Say the average troupe has 9-10 kids in it. That is nearly 10,000 kids who've may have been molested in 20 years. Doesn't sound like a small number when you realize we're only talking about a span of 20 years. We're not even talking about the last 30. No. This is really not hyperbole.
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I think that's quite a leap in logic. that would be one (or 50) very very busy pedophiles, AND 9-10 childeren keeping a "secret"?



Look, I'm not saying its a small number, and shame on the BSA if this allegation of a coverup is true. What I am saying is that this story sadly does not need a church, god etc to exist. These savages gravitate towards places like this, and schools, and other places childeren gather...


I think its abhorrent. But when some bigot comes in here and equates ALL of someones religion for the abhorrent behavior of a vast vast minority, I call those bigots out. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Look, I'm not saying its a small number, and shame on the BSA if this allegation of a coverup is true. What I am saying is that this story sadly does not need a church, god etc to exist. These savages gravitate towards places like this, and schools, and other places childeren gather...
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BSA says without LDS funding it could not continue. LDS is by far the largest donor to the program. LDS has come right out and told BSA that if they EVER allow gay leaders they will pull their funding and start their own Boy Scouts type program. BSA has had financial problems for years. Many councils have sold off all kinds of assets, including camps that have been in BSA for years to get money to stay afloat... even with LDS' funding.
 
ADK_Forever said:
BSA says without LDS funding it could not continue. LDS is by far the largest donor to the program. LDS has come right out and told BSA that if they EVER allow gay leaders they will pull their funding and start their own Boy Scouts type program. BSA has had financial problems for years. Many councils have sold off all kinds of assets, including camps that have been in BSA for years to get money to stay afloat... even with LDS' funding.
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What's this have to do with my point you highlighted? o_O
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What's this have to do with my point you highlighted? o_O
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OK, good, it was not just me who did not follow that so called train of thought.

Hey, it's a group of young boys, supervised usually by a lone person. It's going to draw pedophiles. It sucks but that is the way it is. BSA made a huge mistake in how they handled it, and hopefully they will learn from this. BSA is still overall a good group.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It could only exist because of a church? Really? :doh
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There is a lot of truth to this. The LDS Church provides funding, volunteers/staffing, and locations for scout troops. They also recruit local boys to participate. They are a crucial ingredient of the scouting program in the U.S. It's a symbiotic partnership. In many western states, the Scouting program would probably cease to exist were it not for the support of the LDS Church.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
There is a lot of truth to this. The LDS Church provides funding, volunteers/staffing, and locations for scout troops. They also recruit local boys to participate. They are a crucial ingredient of the scouting program in the U.S. It's a symbiotic partnership. In many western states, the Scouting program would probably cease to exist were it not for the support of the LDS Church.
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Who funds boys and girls clubs?


4h clubs?



It does not "need" a church, it just happens to have one that funds it. that is my point.



Look the BSA seems to have stepped in it deeply.... But bigots coming in here and attacking a whole religion over this? Pathetic.
 
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