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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Thanks for that info. Although, isn't the Scouts credo:
    On my honor, I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

    I think we all know which god... same one on our money and in the pledge.
    That may seem obvious but, it does not mean any particular God. Seriously. Their view is as long as you believe in any God. They don't care if your God is Budha. Really.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    The following faiths or denominations have religious awards for Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and/or Webelos Scouts:

    * African Methodist Episcopal Church
    * African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
    * Anglican Catholic Church
    * Armenian Church of America (Eastern Diocese)
    * Baha'i
    * Baptist
    * Buddhist
    * Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    * Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
    * Church of Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientist)
    * Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)
    * Churches of Christ
    * Community of Christ
    * Eastern Catholic
    * Eastern Orthodox
    * Episcopal
    * General Church of the New Jerusalem (The New Church)
    * Hindu
    * Islamic
    * Jewish
    * Lutheran
    * Meher Baba
    * National Association of Anglican and Traditional Catholic Scouters
    * Polish National Catholic
    * Presbyterian Church in America
    * Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
    * Protestant and Independent Christian Churches -- (Available to any Christian denomination)
    * Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    * Roman Catholic
    * The Salvation Army
    * Unitarian-Universalist Scouters Association
    * United Church of Christ
    * United Methodist
    * United Pentecostal Church International
    * Unity Churches
    Religious Emblems for Cub Scouts and Webelos Scouts

    and...
    The following faiths or denominations have religious awards for Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, Venturers and/or Explorers:

    * African Methodist Episcopal Church
    * African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
    * Anglican Catholic Church
    * Armenian Apostolic Church of America (Western Prelacy)
    * Armenian Church of America (Eastern Diocese)
    * Baha'i
    * Baptist
    * Buddhist
    * Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    * Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
    * Church of Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientist)
    * Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    * Churches of Christ
    * Community of Christ
    * Eastern Catholic
    * Eastern Orthodox
    * Episcopal
    * General Church of the New Jerusalem (The New Church)
    * Hindu
    * Islamic
    * Jewish
    * Lutheran
    * Meher Baba
    * Moravian
    * National Association of Anglican and Traditional Catholic Scouters
    * Polish National Catholic Church
    * Presbyterian Church in America
    * Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
    * Protestant and Independent Christian Churches - (Available to any Christian denomination)
    * Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    * Roman Catholic
    * The Salvation Army
    * Unitarian-Universalist Scouters Association
    * United Church of Christ
    * United Methodist
    * United Pentecostal Church International
    * Unity Churches
    * Zoroastrian
    Religious Emblems for Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, Venturers, and Explorers

    Note, not all are Christian. Some I don't even know what they are.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    you left out shinto
    and please note that the BSA proclaims that it is a nondenominational organization
    m curious as to your understanding of religion in Scouting. Iím familiar with "God" and reverence in the BSA; however, how does a leader keep Baden-Powellís edict to be sure that Scouting be available to boys of all beliefs? I become very uncomfortable at this time of year with some of the "forced" religion, for example, the singing of secular Christmas songs at holiday pack nights when Jewish or others who do not celebrate the "birth of Jesus" as part of their holiday may be uncomfortable. ...

    Thanks for asking these important questions. Let's begin by re-reading the BSA's own Statement of Religious Principle, which can readily be found on every youth and adult application. There, it states with clarity that while a belief in God is fundamental to Scouting principles, the BSA is completely nondenominational and nonsectarian in all other regards and leaves all specific teachings to be done by others, including parents and religious leaders. So it doesn't take a Clarence Darrow to figure out that any teachings that are specific to a particular faith or denomination of a faith have no place in a Scout meeting. Period.

    There are many examples of the "Scouts Own" service and in none of these that have been prepared properly will you find references to one religion in particular or to the exclusion of any other.

    So, to use the word "only" with regard to faith is about at wrong as one can be, especially in a meeting of Scouts of any age. As for prayers, graces, or benedictions that are denominational or sectarian in nature, itís definitely acceptable for a religious leader performing them to speak from his or her own faith. We cannot expect a catholic priest to refer to Yahweh or Buddha any more than we'd expect a rabbi to speak "in the name of Jesus," but we must simultaneously keep in mind that they are speaking from their foundation and NOT on behalf of Scouting. We also need to keep in mind that Allah and God are simply different words, in different languages, that have identical meaning.

    Here's a true story...

    Some years ago, while touring Washington, D.C., in preparation for attending a Boy Scout National Jamboree, my troop attended a Sunday service at the National Cathedral. Afterward, several Scouts and I sat on the warm front lawn and talked over what we'd just experienced, making comparisons (I guided, but did not lead the conversation). Among the Scouts that sunny morning were two Protestant Scouts (a Baptist and a Presbyterian), a Jewish Scout, a Buddhist, two Roman Catholics, a Latter Day Saint, and a Shinto. Each Scout in turn talked about what he's seen and heard and how it compared to his own faith. They ended up agreeing with one another that, in the first place, in the right circumstances it's OK to talk about religion and, in the second place, isn't it pretty cool that despite our different faiths we are all guided to conduct ourselves the same way toward others!
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Simply clarifying your statement. To say, "It is not an LDS organization" is not 100% accurate, as I tried to show.



    Per usual, you like to attack the source. It happens to be very accurate. And yes, I would suggest you go to MoveOn to learn about Repubs because Repubs can't be trusted.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It might as well be. You don't know what you're talking about here. I suggest you check it out before continuing with your assumptions.


    BSA Discrimination.org:Home -> BSA & Gays -> Articles on BSA/Gays -> Struggle for the Soul of the BSA

    Without the financial support of the LDS church, BSA could not survive. BSA also follows LDS' lead on badge requirements, training and even ceremonies. BSA does not decide on anything that LDS has not approved.
    Sounds like a big lie to me, got links or evidence?
    My experience with LDS and BSA is that the LDS like the BSA program enough to make use of it, and support it, but in no way controls it. It may seen so in Utah, where the majority is LDS, but it just isn't so. Other christian churches who don't like LDS make up their own form of BSA, like the "Royal Rangers".
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    That may seem obvious but, it does not mean any particular God. Seriously. Their view is as long as you believe in any God. They don't care if your God is Budha. Really.
    Now YOU'RE being disingenuous. We all know and understand what god, just like when the Senate Chaplin gives his "nonsectarian" prayer. We know what god is referred to on our money and in our pledge.

    To pretend that the Word's/Phrase's origin is not rooted in Christianity is purely disingenuous. We may WANT it to be nonsectarian but we do know the truth. Do we not?

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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Yeah, now show us when each of those badges were first introduced/available to all Scouts. I doubt you'd be able to track it all down but I ASSURE you they were added LONG after the BSA was formed.

    BSA should be secular.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Now YOU'RE being disingenuous. We all know and understand what god, just like when the Senate Chaplin gives his "nonsectarian" prayer. We know what god is referred to on our money and in our pledge.

    To pretend that the Word's/Phrase's origin is not rooted in Christianity is purely disingenuous. We may WANT it to be nonsectarian but we do know the truth. Do we not?
    Please show evidence of this "truth" or you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Yeah, now show us when each of those badges were first introduced/available to all Scouts. I doubt you'd be able to track it all down but I ASSURE you they were added LONG after the BSA was formed.
    So what? As kids came along, with new religions, BSA added those badges. What's your point?

    BSA should be secular.
    Show me how it's not.
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    Re: Boy Scouts of America Keep Secret Dossier on Extensive Sex Abuses

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Now YOU'RE being disingenuous. We all know and understand what god, just like when the Senate Chaplin gives his "nonsectarian" prayer. We know what god is referred to on our money and in our pledge.

    To pretend that the Word's/Phrase's origin is not rooted in Christianity is purely disingenuous. We may WANT it to be nonsectarian but we do know the truth. Do we not?
    I never said it wasn't "rooted in Christianity". Obviously it is. My point is that BSA does not "teach" or "preach" religion. The LDS units I believe treat this different.
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